Max Burgin back, Josh Kerr struggling a little in British champs 800 rounds

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3 weeks ago 06/30/2024 3:21pm EDT

re: Get the facts straight

I feel great about how Hocker and Kessler look. I absolutely prefer it to the flat and tired look of a guy in heavy training. By "it will be interesting to see if they look as sharp in August," I'm just acknowledging what I think we all know . . . that not every young stud who needs to run well at US trials is able to hold their peak for two months (or five or six weeks or whatever).

Conversely, a guy who has looked amazing for most of the past year and doesn't have to worry about a Trials performance has no reason to look sharp racing at the end of June.

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3 weeks ago 06/30/2024 5:43pm EDT

re: ChatLRC

The hugely talented but highly injury prone Burgin gets 2nd in the trial. Does he have a qualifier? I hope he can get to the Olympics in one piece.

3 weeks ago 06/30/2024 5:48pm EDT

re: grrrrr..

grrrrr.. wrote:
You're confident that Jakob would take 1/2 a second off his pb, and Nuguse almost the same, in not great conditions? Where would Jakob be running in lane 1? Would he start at the back and kick past Kerr in the home straight? You're confident of Nuguse and Jakob outkicking Kerr in an 800m when they can't in the 1500. That's just weird.

Yes. Racing an 800 is different than racing a 1500. Today was another example showing Josh is not a strong 800m racer. Jakob is not great at the 800m don’t get me wrong but he’s tactically savvy as far as not running the second turn in lane 2 or making half-moves. I think that race would work for Nuguse as he’d just go out slow and do work from 300m out. That was not a bad race to be patient.

3 weeks ago 06/30/2024 5:50pm EDT

re: jacksprat

jacksprat wrote:
The hugely talented but highly injury prone Burgin gets 2nd in the trial. Does he have a qualifier? I hope he can get to the Olympics in one piece.

He is qualified but can he get to the heats in one piece? Not sure if he’s a danger though as the 800m has taken a quantum leap forward since when a 1:43 high got you anything.

3 weeks ago 06/30/2024 6:19pm EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

It would be great for him to get to the line in Paris, a victory in itself after so much disappointment. I just watched the finish of the 800. I think Kerr would've been good for third without the mishap. There was a gap - then there wasn't. Giles had already spend all he had with 50 to go, maybe he just became too tired a veered through lack of control. It happens. Hopefully Kerr is not hurt.

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3 weeks ago 06/30/2024 7:18pm EDT

re: John Wesley Harding

John Wesley Harding wrote:
objectiveobserver wrote:
Yes, I think at least Jakob would have qualified easily. He recently destroyed a high 1:43, a 1:44 and a 1:45 runner (Habz, Gourley and Nader) so that would be no problem.
Kerr: Let´s see if he is faster today. If not, he should be happy that he isn´t running the 1500m. It would be embarrasing if he didn´t place in top 3.
…in a 1500.
IMO, Ingebrigtsen would likely have fared pretty much exactly the same as Kerr in that heat.
Both guys are probably capable of 1:44-mid to 1:45-flat in a perfect scenario, but it’s hard to nail the tactics with limited opportunities and elite 800 experience, and when you have less speed reserve than true 800 specialists.

exactly.

kerr obviously is using this as traning, and a 145 guy running 145 off a slower first lap is par for the course.

for some reason, it is nearly impossible to close faster than 52 seconds no matter what the first lap's pace.

i would not be too surprised to see kerr go 144 high in the final as a result.

for an aerobic guy, the heats sharpen, for a sprinter type, heats take a bit off, for a specialist it heats don't make much difference.

the proof is comming up, burgen if his base is good, will go 143 to 144 low in the final and all kerr has to do is follow him.

3 weeks ago 06/30/2024 7:24pm EDT

re: proofinthepudding

proofinthepudding wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
…in a 1500.
IMO, Ingebrigtsen would likely have fared pretty much exactly the same as Kerr in that heat.
Both guys are probably capable of 1:44-mid to 1:45-flat in a perfect scenario, but it’s hard to nail the tactics with limited opportunities and elite 800 experience, and when you have less speed reserve than true 800 specialists.
exactly.
kerr obviously is using this as traning, and a 145 guy running 145 off a slower first lap is par for the course.
for some reason, it is nearly impossible to close faster than 52 seconds no matter what the first lap's pace.
i would not be too surprised to see kerr go 144 high in the final as a result.
for an aerobic guy, the heats sharpen, for a sprinter type, heats take a bit off, for a specialist it heats don't make much difference.
the proof is comming up, burgen if his base is good, will go 143 to 144 low in the final and all kerr has to do is follow him.

Yeah...Unfortunately the final already happend.

3 weeks ago 06/30/2024 8:40pm EDT

re: Distant observer

The results of the American trials today prove this:

- Cole Hocker will never be a great

- The fast times of the 800m are du to track technologies and the shoes. They will be disillusioned at Paris when confronting bigger caliber.

2 weeks ago 07/01/2024 8:05am EDT

re: UKValues

UKValues wrote:
objectiveobserver wrote:
Kerr: Let´s see if he is faster today. If not, he should be happy that he isn´t running the 1500m. It would be embarrasing if he didn´t place in top 3.
Always rooting for your Jakob using all sort of arguments.
Not an objective observer but a biased observer.

I replied to someone who stated that Jakob couldn´t have run better than Kerr. I think I had a rational argument. Why don´t relate to that instead of going after the man?

2 weeks ago 07/01/2024 8:09am EDT

re: Distant observer

JakGOAT boutta beat Kerr in 3 different Olympic events. Crazy

2 weeks ago 07/01/2024 8:53am EDT

re: proofinthepudding

proofinthepudding wrote:
kerr obviously is using this as traning,

That is exactly the logic behind giving elite folk a bye.

2 weeks ago 07/01/2024 9:13am EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
jacksprat wrote:
The hugely talented but highly injury prone Burgin gets 2nd in the trial. Does he have a qualifier? I hope he can get to the Olympics in one piece.
He is qualified but can he get to the heats in one piece? Not sure if he’s a danger though as the 800m has taken a quantum leap forward since when a 1:43 high got you anything.

The medals in Budapest were won in 1:44.24, 1:44.53, and 1:44.83. The global champs are an entirely different game to the circuit and even national championships. If Burgin can get the final, which is far from certain, he is fast enough to be a threat. As ever, I wouldn't put any money on the 800, there's no clear favourite

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