72-yr-old Masters World and National Champ Busted - Dude was an all sorts of PEDs!!!

DougC wrote:

The bulging veins in his arms… that doesn’t happen naturally when you’re 70 years old.

Just my opinion, just by themselves the bulging veins do not necessarily indicate PED use. I have 'rope' veins and am close to 70. It is more the muscle bulk that doesn't look right.

I am sure there a genetic outliers, but there is a another 60+ age grouper from the West Coast that has an eerily similar body structure to Qualls that has been making the podium the both the indoor track and Masters outdoor events leading up to this year's National Outdoor Masters Championships this July 18-21).

Currently, he is entered in two mid distance events. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he 'suddenly' has an injury and decides not to compete. (yep, looking at you Mr. 2:27 and 5:10 seed time). If he does compete and podiums like indoors, he may be a great candidate to test as well.

Note, I am not using my registered name because frankly, he is smart enough to figure out who I am and could kick my slightly slower behind half way around the track.

I wouldn't care if he took these drugs and trained for his own amusement, but strutting around winning medals makes him a real jerk.

You can point fingers, I guess. But I find it better just to focus on your own process, your friends, and enjoyment of the sport. I run and race because I like it and have no control what others may do. The testing isn't perfect but support the testing that do they have and encourage more. Live on, race on, and F the cheaters!

My guess was right who you were referring to.

To be fair, said person was a very good college runner back in the day. I'm a lot nearer to him at 3000m now than I would have been then - I'm in the same age group - so the gap has closed rather than widened which is what I'd have expected with PEDS.

Admittedly, his body composition has changed a lot in the last few years - based on his own posted photos - but I think he's posted a weights regime which could explain that.

The only thing that raised my eyebrows was that he said that "all his runs are hard." Unless he means that in the sense that the recovery runs are hard because he's tired - my experience - it's a bit odd.

Let me tell you, it's just a great feeling when I have to take a week completely off after a marathon, and do slow jogging at best the week after that, and then see guys my age who are running 2 marathons a month or two apart, and getting right back to their daily workout routine the Monday after the race. Such a great feeling. So inspiring.

I know exactly who you mean. Kind of struts his physique on FB if I recall. Not subtle at all. To be fair I'm just as ripped thanks to my other sports, but my running has dropped way off from my 40s. If I'm on anything I deserve a refund as far as running goes!

Coyote Montane wrote:

You can point fingers, I guess. But I find it better just to focus on your own process, your friends, and enjoyment of the sport. I run and race because I like it and have no control what others may do. The testing isn't perfect but support the testing that do they have and encourage more. Live on, race on, and F the cheaters!

You are probably a bigger man than I am Coyote.

I don't mind getting beat. (I have some experience in that area.) I just don't like to get beat by people who break the rules (Qualls was not too far ahead of me at XC nationals in January and I feel somehow just a little less unhappy with my performance knowing he tested positive several weeks later).

If the person I referenced does not show up at Nationals in July it would IMO be a telling event. I hope for the sport he is clean and I am wrong.

"Competition" at that age is a joke.

get inside my belly wrote:

Many masters athletes are probably unintentionally doping just to maintain quality of life outside of their sporting endeavours.

Do you mean things like TRT, HRT & DHEA?

secretly i was hoping this was about chris mcdonald ;) --of course i'm kidding, for those who get the reference.

while i agree with all that coyote writes, what's really frustrating about this is that it unfortunately gives too many knuckleheads a reason to cast aspersions on all masters runners. but i'm with coyote: my assumption is that all my competitors are clean, and i focus on my own process; otherwise it's madness...

that's my story and i'm sticking to it,

cush

Even their masters athletes cheat.

socalcush wrote:

secretly i was hoping this was about chris mcdonald ;) --of course i'm kidding, for those who get the reference.

while i agree with all that coyote writes, what's really frustrating about this is that it unfortunately gives too many knuckleheads a reason to cast aspersions on all masters runners. but i'm with coyote: my assumption is that all my competitors are clean, and i focus on my own process; otherwise it's madness...

that's my story and i'm sticking to it,

cush

Huh?? You are surely not that naive. Not even most all your competitors are clean. And you know it.

you surely can read better...put your bold emphasis on the latter part of the sentence, not the former...

...and i know nothing...

socalcush wrote:

...and i know nothing...

Sorry, not being snarky but you do 'know' something now with this news, no?

yeah, i know about this guy, whom i've never met (or can't recall meeting). i know about kevin castille, who's competing no longer as far as i can tell. but "even most all" of my competitors? if i believed that, it would make competing maddening. i'd rather believe that the 7 guys i raced recently on sunday in the 800 are clean; it's a simple choice on how to view the world--nothing stopping you from looking at it the way you choose...

Vanity Kills wrote:

What do we think, boys? Someone went to the men's clinic to get some topical T and was also taking some GNC grade testo booster plus some male enhancement product but didn't do his homework?

National class competitive bodybuilder/powerlifter back in 1980s. Have long since retired from competition but still weight lift almost daily at a gym staying in tune as to what drugs & supplements are being used these days.

19-Norandrosterone is an injectable anabolic steroid only. It's also known as Deca-Durabilin which was very popular with bodybuilders & strength athletes back in the 1970s/80s. But Deca stays in the system forever...and mean forever (he'd be glowing for months maybe even close to year Lol).

19-Norandrosterone is a testosterone molecule that the methyl group of the 19 carbon ring has been deleted which neutralizes the androgenic part (male secondary sexually characteristics) which increases the anabolic property (tissue growth/repair). This reduces side-effects dramatically and makes it attractive to athletes of all kinds (female bodybuilders love this steroid).

There's also some studies showing these compounds can significantly raise Hct/Hgb with older athletes (not so much with the younger guys though).

19- Nor DHEA is an oral compound which would clear the system much sooner (like DHEA it's sold over the internet as a dietary supplement).

The report says he showed metabolites from various 19-Norandrosterone sources - if one of those confirmed is the 19-Norandrosterone compound, then it would have to be the injectable Deca.

Doesn't look like he took any testosterone or TRT. Synthetic testosterone can easily be detected now by the carbon isotope ratio (CIR) test which can distinguish between naturally cholesterol-based testosterone from synthetic plant-derive testosterone (this was test used to catch Justin Gatlin who was using T-gels).

Doesn't surprise me that masters athletes would be using injectable anabolic steroids. A few years back the 90 yr old WR holder in a cycling event tested positive for epitrenbolone - a metabolite of Tren (injectable).

Anabolic steroids & testosterone would be highly efficacious with older men especially at that age. You're essentially reversing aging with the increase in lean muscle tissue, increase in strength, increase in Hct/Hgb, reduction of bodyfat, improve glucose metabolism, improved mental wellbeing and so forth. At my gym, I've seen TRT/HRT alone transform old dudes into Supermen. 😲

Yessiree Bob wrote:

Am I the only person not on drugs?

You aren't winning races.