A great time trialler, but no, not the "range GOAT" for me as he hasn't won a single gold at any distance. Farah, with 3:28 to 59 (2:05 if you want to go to the marathon as well) plus his ten global gold medals puts him clear as the range GOAT.
I'm sure the whole Al Sal stuff will be posted in response to this, but Kejelcha is an NOP product as well.
A great time trialler, but no, not the "range GOAT" for me as he hasn't won a single gold at any distance. Farah, with 3:28 to 59 (2:05 if you want to go to the marathon as well) plus his ten global gold medals puts him clear as the range GOAT.
I'm sure the whole Al Sal stuff will be posted in response to this, but Kejelcha is an NOP product as well.
Farah’s half and full marathon times are soft -he might have done better here if he transitioned in a period with lesser injuries, but we can’t use a might argument…
In my view Mo Farah was an also ran (just like Ovett, and Coe borderlined in the 1500m -the latter saved by his one 3.29 race as nearly 30 years old). -Champs are clown races in my opinion, and shouldn’t be counted (too coincidental compared to times) when it comes to greatness… (I know I’m in minority here, and most of you cringe about the blasphemy, but this is just my honest opinion).
Mo Farah nevertheless seemed talented, and he might have run fast in multiple distances. But you have to do it to be counted / recognised. The same goes for Coe and Cram (some posters say they could have run 3.27, and I personally don’t protest) -you have to do it. (Jakob too -he is an also ran in the 5000m until he runs fast also there).
Aouita has a case just because his 800 is so good. The 1500 is still a primary aerobic event, and you can get pretty fast with just pure fitness, but the 800 is so anaerobic that it's really really hard to run a fast 800 AND do well at 5k/10k. Even in 3:47 shape I doubt Kejelcha is coming close to 1:44. Maybe 1:46 at best, likely 1:47-1:48.
Nico ran 147 in one stab at it and you think YK is running slower lollllllllll gtfo
Nico ran like 3-4 800s this year, that’s as many as you’d expect a 1500 runner to run. Hardly “one stab”. And Kejelcha is wayyy better than Nico over 3k+, but the gap appears to be much closer at the 1500, where Nico ran 3 seconds off his PR and honestly looks like he could run significantly faster (remember he beat Sahlman that day, who is at the least a 3:33 guy). So following the natural curve of their events if he’s: slightly better at 1500, much better at 3k, then continues to grow the gap at 5k, 10k, and beyond; then it’s a reasonable conclusion he is either slightly better at 800, equal, or slightly worse.
Yes. he is the range GOAT, imo. the thing he has in favor for running all these great times is that he never wins, so he is not afraid to lose.
that maybe sounds like an insult. it's just reality. You have guys like Ingebrigtsen looking to protect their record, ego, or aura of invincibility. Mo Farah was the same.
Is Kejelcha proof that modern springy ass indoor tracks are now FASTER than outdoor??
If someone ran an indoor 3:47 back in 1999 you'd "expect" something insane outdoor, like 3:41 or 3:42. I doubt Kejelcha could ever dip below 3:47/3:48 outdoors. Same is true about Rupp and the 3:50, I suppose.
Anyway Kejelcha is fun to watch. Best even is probs the indoor 3000, which unfortunately for him hasn't netted him a TON of accolades. I think he'll get 5th or 6th in the Olympic 5000 and we'll have another thread about bad Ethiopian tactics.
Is Kejelcha proof that modern springy ass indoor tracks are now FASTER than outdoor??
If someone ran an indoor 3:47 back in 1999 you'd "expect" something insane outdoor, like 3:41 or 3:42. I doubt Kejelcha could ever dip below 3:47/3:48 outdoors. Same is true about Rupp and the 3:50, I suppose.
Anyway Kejelcha is fun to watch. Best even is probs the indoor 3000, which unfortunately for him hasn't netted him a TON of accolades. I think he'll get 5th or 6th in the Olympic 5000 and we'll have another thread about bad Ethiopian tactics.
I think there's a lot of evidence that modern indoor tracks are essentially equivalent. Idk about faster, but certainly more predictable. I would say an outdoor track in perfect conditions is probably still a bit faster, but on an average day indoor is better for a time trial. There's a reason WA have combined the two on their all-time lists.
Nico ran like 3-4 800s this year, that’s as many as you’d expect a 1500 runner to run. Hardly “one stab”. And Kejelcha is wayyy better than Nico over 3k+, but the gap appears to be much closer at the 1500, where Nico ran 3 seconds off his PR and honestly looks like he could run significantly faster (remember he beat Sahlman that day, who is at the least a 3:33 guy). So following the natural curve of their events if he’s: slightly better at 1500, much better at 3k, then continues to grow the gap at 5k, 10k, and beyond; then it’s a reasonable conclusion he is either slightly better at 800, equal, or slightly worse.
Sahlman is at least a 3:33.96 guy as that is his PB, so he’s more like a 3:34.0 guy than 3:33.0 guy for now. Nico does not look like he could run “significantly faster” than 3:34.56 based on any real evidence. Kejelcha does than his 1500 PB as he ran 3:47.01 in a mile. He’s older now and doesn’t race many 1500/miles but he’s clearly got wheels when he focuses on it.
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Is Kejelcha proof that modern springy ass indoor tracks are now FASTER than outdoor??
If someone ran an indoor 3:47 back in 1999 you'd "expect" something insane outdoor, like 3:41 or 3:42. I doubt Kejelcha could ever dip below 3:47/3:48 outdoors. Same is true about Rupp and the 3:50, I suppose.
Anyway Kejelcha is fun to watch. Best even is probs the indoor 3000, which unfortunately for him hasn't netted him a TON of accolades. I think he'll get 5th or 6th in the Olympic 5000 and we'll have another thread about bad Ethiopian tactics.
Hard to say -3.27.14 outdoor man Jakob has only run 3.30.60 indoors (WR)… My take is this (for now): Still some disadvantage to run a mile / 1500m indoors, but not in the 2 mile / 3000m…
I think you are putting too much stock in an event that Keninisa Bekle never really ran, the 1500/mile. Bekele was better in the 5k, 10k, marathon, XC. They were basically identical when comparing 3k/2mile times. It's only the mile that Kejelcha has on Bekele.
Kejelcha is outstanding in his own right. But not the best of all time, even if only looking at range.
Agreed. He is unstable here, but I see a sub 3.30 on a perfect day. And there are clearly other distances to improve (f.ex 2000m) but first and foremost his 10000m (26.31 cannot be his ceiling) -no reason for him to be worse there than Bekele, Geb and Cheptegei (given his half m pb)…
So you think he should set a 10k world record. Pretty bold. We must remember that the half marathon has been dramatically impacted by super shoes. Wanjiru, Z. Tadese, and Kamworor were all phenomenal half marathon runners (all either Olympic marathon champions or World XC champions who were best suited to the half marathon distance) and the fastest they could go before super shoes was 58:20s. The fact that we’ve seen multiple races where the 4th placer runs sub-58 speaks to the benefit that shoe tech offers.