Whatever, everyone have different meaning for those terms, so don't pay attention to them.
One workout You need to do at threshold pace, like this
8km run at HM pace, 5km at 10km pace, 8x1km at 10km pace, 5x1.6km at 10km pace and so on
Other workout should be faster, like vo2max pace
examples - 10x500m at 3000m pace, 12x400m or similar.
When fitter, You can try 15x300m st 1500m pace or 20x200
Is 5x 1600m at 10km a threshold workout???
What kind of rest would you need to take to make this a threshold effort? If it is the commom 60-75s (maybe even 90s) rest, that would be way too hard for a "threshold workout"
Whatever, everyone have different meaning for those terms, so don't pay attention to them.
One workout You need to do at threshold pace, like this
8km run at HM pace, 5km at 10km pace, 8x1km at 10km pace, 5x1.6km at 10km pace and so on
Other workout should be faster, like vo2max pace
examples - 10x500m at 3000m pace, 12x400m or similar.
When fitter, You can try 15x300m st 1500m pace or 20x200
Is 5x 1600m at 10km a threshold workout???
What kind of rest would you need to take to make this a threshold effort? If it is the commom 60-75s (maybe even 90s) rest, that would be way too hard for a "threshold workout"
10k pace is not threshold unless your 10k PR is 60:00.
Even 5k pace can be threshold if You run short reps. It is defined by lactate. Running 300m repeats at 5k won't generate more lactate than single 5k run at HM pace
What kind of rest would you need to take to make this a threshold effort? If it is the commom 60-75s (maybe even 90s) rest, that would be way too hard for a "threshold workout"
10k pace is not threshold unless your 10k PR is 60:00.
According to Jack Daniels that would be true. What he gets wrong and what the Bakken/Ingebrigtsen training system gets right is that threshold/LT2 is not a pace, it's an effort level. If you're doing a continuous tempo run of 20-30 minutes or cruise intervals of 5-15 minutes with only 1 minute rest, then threshold would be about the pace you hold for 60 minutes in a race. But you can also do shorter intervals like 1000m reps or 400m reps at a faster pace and still get that same threshold effort. Doing these shorter intervals for threshold effort allows your body to get used to running at faster paces and allows you to do more work at threshold, which is the how higher level runners are able to do double thresholds.
10k pace is not threshold unless your 10k PR is 60:00.
According to Jack Daniels that would be true. What he gets wrong and what the Bakken/Ingebrigtsen training system gets right is that threshold/LT2 is not a pace, it's an effort level. If you're doing a continuous tempo run of 20-30 minutes or cruise intervals of 5-15 minutes with only 1 minute rest, then threshold would be about the pace you hold for 60 minutes in a race. But you can also do shorter intervals like 1000m reps or 400m reps at a faster pace and still get that same threshold effort. Doing these shorter intervals for threshold effort allows your body to get used to running at faster paces and allows you to do more work at threshold, which is the how higher level runners are able to do double thresholds.
Late to the show - you are correct obviously. The problem with running shorter, faster reps for THRESHOLD, is the only way to know how not to run them too fast is a lactate meter and the runner knowing their different lactate levels. Otherwise you just run too fast. Bakken made that very clear when he explained his approach. That's why for most, the Daniel's T pace works the best and for the slower threshold I like MP. Just my preference without knowing lactate levels and what they mean.
10k pace is not threshold unless your 10k PR is 60:00.
According to Jack Daniels that would be true. What he gets wrong and what the Bakken/Ingebrigtsen training system gets right is that threshold/LT2 is not a pace, it's an effort level. If you're doing a continuous tempo run of 20-30 minutes or cruise intervals of 5-15 minutes with only 1 minute rest, then threshold would be about the pace you hold for 60 minutes in a race. But you can also do shorter intervals like 1000m reps or 400m reps at a faster pace and still get that same threshold effort. Doing these shorter intervals for threshold effort allows your body to get used to running at faster paces and allows you to do more work at threshold, which is the how higher level runners are able to do double thresholds.
I also wasn't refuting you at all - just me saying in long-winded way to "just be careful" :)
Even 5k pace can be threshold if You run short reps. It is defined by lactate. Running 300m repeats at 5k won't generate more lactate than single 5k run at HM pace