Lex Young 25th at west regionals

How would you say Andy Powell's coaching has been questionable? I agree that at first glance "University of the Mile" doesn't seem like an obvious fit for someone more long distance oriented, but arguably, some speed development could greatly beneficial (as seen with Nico Young recently).

Mentioned Powell somewhat in jest -- did so as a slight jab at the few posters who constantly rant against Ricardo Santos.

If you dislike Santos, better take off your rose-colored glasses to clearly see what's happened with Andy's 10k runners at the West Regional: 30th, 45th (DFL) and DNF.

Not a good look for Powell's ability to peak these guys for NCAAs.

In the words of the Santos bashers, "time for the portal, boys."

Except, since they're all freshman, maybe they're all just worn out from racing all three seasons, so let's hold off on any rash decisions for another year or two. Developing fitness and racing tactics to be competitive in NCAA 10ks takes a lot of time.

Thinking back to this fall, where UW didn't even make NCAAs for cross country with all of their talented runners... I will say that you do have a point. As for Santos and the Youngs, I do not have any strong opinions as of right now, so I agree, only time will tell.

wondering if he’ll jump in the portal before booking his flight to flagstaff.

This is a fine result for a freshman! Most high school phenoms don't immediately tear up the college scene. Nico was EXCEPTIONAL, and just because they're related doesn't necessarily mean the twins are, too. Looking forward to their progression.

Twins need to lose some weight.

Wrong take. You have to look at how much knowledgeable they are by staying one year at Stanford.

letsrunspecial is special

It would be a fine result … if there was no ROCKY HANSEN. He’ll be enjoying Eugene while L&L are on the couch. John Hayes > Ricardo Santos forever and always.

Amen, Malmo!

Hearing the phrase "altitude conversion" is like hearing old hobby joggers whining that the Turkey Trot was slow because it contained four turns and 10 feet of elevation gain during the first mile.

Leo and Lex: come to Cornell. Henderson just coached a 4:08 high schooler (Damian Hackett) to a 3:39 and a natty qual as a junior. Plus he’s won 3 1500 and 2 DMR Heps titles in a row with a huge kick.

Regan Smith from Stanford to Arizona State, which bolsters your qualifier

this guy gets it! Leo bombed his freshman year, hope he gets it together next season

Very much agreed. So people are talking like it’s a f year for them. I’d say a C/c+ is fair. It’s too early to write them off. Let’s see how they compare to Nicos outdoor track season sophomore year.

His brother ran 15:03 and got dead f****** last. Can’t defend that, he s*** the bed his freshman year entirely. Hopefully he takes a few weeks off and gets back on the horse with some fire and something to prove

C is average for them.they did worse than High School. That's an F. Most kids make a jump freshman year in college. Imagine a 9:15 3200 guy heading off to a good D3 school and running 16:00 for 5k? His high school coach would ask what is going on.

It's funny on other threads regarding Colin and Nico, Brosnan is getting praise for setting them up for success in college, yet for the twins it's not his fault they are struggling, but Santos is at fault.

I don't personally think the high school coach has much impact on how they do in college. There are so many factors that change from one situation to the next. However, let's be consistent. If you're going to give Brosnan credit for the college development of Nico and Colin, he should also get the blame for the poor progression of the twins.

They trained like college juniors in high school. Sahlmans and Youngs are some of the most talented Americans in history. The twins were near their peak in high school.

Santos Sucks , Brosnan is good , Smith is good .