Your logic makes no sense at all. The school doesn’t spend a penny to get the best recruit in the country, because, I guess, his parents are wealthy? If the that was OK, it would open the floodgates for schools like Stanford that far have more wealthy parents than most other schools.
A school is never forced to give out a scholarship, if a student(parents) prefer to pay.
In fact the whole team at the Ivies, Patriot League, and division 3 are this way, as there are no scholarships for track/xc. Similarly, about 200 of the 300 schools with track and xc, give no scholarships to distance runners.
Children of Washington staff pay half price on tuition. If coach paid and son just lived at home bill would only be for half tuition with room&board covered at home or via athletics.
Sure it's a small advantage, but all schools have different types of advantages baked in, so it all kind of washes out.
In theory Stanford, Notre Dame, Cal, UCLA, Michigan & UVA should always get the best recruits due their academic rank, but it doesn't work out that way, and even when they do, they manage to screw it up.
State schools for in-state kids often have apartments and meals for the team. Then there can be an academic award plus in state tuition, where non athletic scholarship kid can attend for $5000. These schools don't win every year either.
I looked it up and the estimated total cost for 4 years at UW, is $130,000. Tuition is $12K per year so the net cost to the Powells would be about $105K. That’s a lot for them to pay in order to have a scholarship available to snag yet another potential 3:50 miler.
Having a son that talented is a rare gift. On the face of it, choosing to pass on a scholarship at Stanford worth $330K, and pay your own way at UW, isn’t necessarily a good decision.
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Your logic doesn't even make sense. Parents are responsible for their kids and are allowed to pay while donors can't directly pay but now have NIL workarounds. Many top male distance runners choose top programs where they don't receive scholarships. Nobody is guaranteed a scholarship based on a time. MAny fast kids are also smart. Good recruiters find kids who don't need athletic scholarships becuase they nreceive need based ones or academic ones or have parents who are happy to pay and have their kid on the team.
Your logic makes no sense at all. The school doesn’t spend a penny to get the best recruit in the country, because, I guess, his parents are wealthy? If the that was OK, it would open the floodgates for schools like Stanford that far have more wealthy parents than most other schools.
The coaches are not required to give an athlete a scholarship just because he is good and wants to go to the school. The Powells could simply not offer a scholarship to Owen and that would free up a scholarship for someone else. That isn't against the rules.
I am not suggesting that is what the parents will, or even should do. Moreover, there may be other perks to being on the scholarship roster besides tuition waivers. They could do what a lot of coaches in non revenue sports do: Split up a scholarship among several athletes. The soccer coaches at the UW have been doing that for many years.
If anything, I think if Owen Powell goes to UW, his parents would probably not offer him a scholarship simply to avoid conflict of interest. Obviously he is talented enough to deserve one, but who wants to risk their job in a situation like this?
Some people really don't care about the scholarship money. I had offers to run at other schools but wanted to go to Washington so I walked on there. It wasn't that expensive in those days and my parents were paying. They didn't want me to go to a smaller school.
Now that I have a child who is running well and may develop into a scholarship level athlete, I tell her she's better off being a walk-on. Having a scholarship comes with some degree of responsibility and obligation, and I'd rather have my daughter able to focus on school first and not feel that track and field is a job they have to go to in order to pay the way. I have already put aside her college money and would rather she use that than be under pressure to perform to maintain a scholarship.
Thank you for that. Most state school systems provide no discounts to employees' children so I was unaware that Washington does. That makes it even more likely that this plays out.
Thank you for that. Most state school systems provide no discounts to employees' children so I was unaware that Washington does. That makes it even more likely that this plays out.
If anything, I think if Owen Powell goes to UW, his parents would probably not offer him a scholarship simply to avoid conflict of interest. Obviously he is talented enough to deserve one, but who wants to risk their job in a situation like this?
Some people really don't care about the scholarship money. I had offers to run at other schools but wanted to go to Washington so I walked on there. It wasn't that expensive in those days and my parents were paying. They didn't want me to go to a smaller school.
Now that I have a child who is running well and may develop into a scholarship level athlete, I tell her she's better off being a walk-on. Having a scholarship comes with some degree of responsibility and obligation, and I'd rather have my daughter able to focus on school first and not feel that track and field is a job they have to go to in order to pay the way. I have already put aside her college money and would rather she use that than be under pressure to perform to maintain a scholarship.
It’s the school, and not the parents, that would be giving a scholarship to Owen.
The Powells both do really well coaching at UW . both results wise and financially. I do remember Andy Powell is college , he struggled with injuries and mediocre performances while the others ( Jennings . Riley , Stember ) ran great .
He ran 3:40.5 as a true freshman before the injuries started and then was never healthy. Can’t even remember him toeing the line again.
worth noting that 3:40 back then in the ncaa was truly elite and was often a top 10-15 time in the U.S.
A school is never forced to give out a scholarship, if a student(parents) prefer to pay.
In fact the whole team at the Ivies, Patriot League, and division 3 are this way, as there are no scholarships for track/xc. Similarly, about 200 of the 300 schools with track and xc, give no scholarships to distance runners.
Children of Washington staff pay half price on tuition. If coach paid and son just lived at home bill would only be for half tuition with room&board covered at home or via athletics.
Sure it's a small advantage, but all schools have different types of advantages baked in, so it all kind of washes out.
In theory Stanford, Notre Dame, Cal, UCLA, Michigan & UVA should always get the best recruits due their academic rank, but it doesn't work out that way, and even when they do, they manage to screw it up.
State schools for in-state kids often have apartments and meals for the team. Then there can be an academic award plus in state tuition, where non athletic scholarship kid can attend for $5000. These schools don't win every year either.
I looked it up and the estimated total cost for 4 years at UW, is $130,000. Tuition is $12K per year so the net cost to the Powells would be about $105K. That’s a lot for them to pay in order to have a scholarship available to snag yet another potential 3:50 miler.
Having a son that talented is a rare gift. On the face of it, choosing to pass on a scholarship at Stanford worth $330K, and pay your own way at UW, isn’t necessarily a good decision.
If anything, I think if Owen Powell goes to UW, his parents would probably not offer him a scholarship simply to avoid conflict of interest. Obviously he is talented enough to deserve one, but who wants to risk their job in a situation like this?
Some people really don't care about the scholarship money. I had offers to run at other schools but wanted to go to Washington so I walked on there. It wasn't that expensive in those days and my parents were paying. They didn't want me to go to a smaller school.
Now that I have a child who is running well and may develop into a scholarship level athlete, I tell her she's better off being a walk-on. Having a scholarship comes with some degree of responsibility and obligation, and I'd rather have my daughter able to focus on school first and not feel that track and field is a job they have to go to in order to pay the way. I have already put aside her college money and would rather she use that than be under pressure to perform to maintain a scholarship.
One point of disagreement: I don't think conflict of interest would be a problem if his performances put him in line for a scholarship. A factor that often are considered are whether the athlete has ties to the school and is likely to stick with the program. Clearly that is a positive here. And in any case the Powells could kick the final decision up to the Athletic Director and avoid the conflict issue.
If anything, I think if Owen Powell goes to UW, his parents would probably not offer him a scholarship simply to avoid conflict of interest. Obviously he is talented enough to deserve one, but who wants to risk their job in a situation like this?
Some people really don't care about the scholarship money. I had offers to run at other schools but wanted to go to Washington so I walked on there. It wasn't that expensive in those days and my parents were paying. They didn't want me to go to a smaller school.
Now that I have a child who is running well and may develop into a scholarship level athlete, I tell her she's better off being a walk-on. Having a scholarship comes with some degree of responsibility and obligation, and I'd rather have my daughter able to focus on school first and not feel that track and field is a job they have to go to in order to pay the way. I have already put aside her college money and would rather she use that than be under pressure to perform to maintain a scholarship.
One point of disagreement: I don't think conflict of interest would be a problem if his performances put him in line for a scholarship. A factor that often are considered are whether the athlete has ties to the school and is likely to stick with the program. Clearly that is a positive here. And in any case the Powells could kick the final decision up to the Athletic Director and avoid the conflict issue.
It’s likely the AD, at any school, already signs off on all athletic scholarships. The school is the responsible party and not the Powells.