Ok but the difference between distance runners and other sports is that other sports have effective doping strategies with easy access. Distance runners need EPO for that significant performance boast. Testosterone can help a little but that mostly comes from the recovery aspect of it. The rest of the supplements are pretty useless for endurance running.
I would somewhat disagree with this statement. Greater muscle strength is a huge benefit to both sprinters and distance runners. Testosterone’s anabolic effects are useful for much more than recovery. Studies show a 7-10% increase in hemoglobin (what epo does) by testosterone by recalibration of erythropoiesis. That’s significantly more than “a little”, simply by utilizing testosterone gel for 6 months.
If a distance running is taking testosterone gels for 6 months, to get the full performance benefits, then it would be obvious. He would be jacked.
How many times restarting this thread? For every poster that thinks high schoolers are doping (or pretends to know one that is) please specify what they are using and give an estimate on how much time improvement. Thanks in advance for the laughs.
I would somewhat disagree with this statement. Greater muscle strength is a huge benefit to both sprinters and distance runners. Testosterone’s anabolic effects are useful for much more than recovery. Studies show a 7-10% increase in hemoglobin (what epo does) by testosterone by recalibration of erythropoiesis. That’s significantly more than “a little”, simply by utilizing testosterone gel for 6 months.
If a distance running is taking testosterone gels for 6 months, to get the full performance benefits, then it would be obvious. He would be jacked.
Not even close to true. Depends on how a person trains and what type of training they do.
I would somewhat disagree with this statement. Greater muscle strength is a huge benefit to both sprinters and distance runners. Testosterone’s anabolic effects are useful for much more than recovery. Studies show a 7-10% increase in hemoglobin (what epo does) by testosterone by recalibration of erythropoiesis. That’s significantly more than “a little”, simply by utilizing testosterone gel for 6 months.
If a distance running is taking testosterone gels for 6 months, to get the full performance benefits, then it would be obvious. He would be jacked.
Testosterone gel is applied topically, by the way. I’d encourage you to stop commenting like you’re an authority on the subject.
Asinga: suspended after setting national (and world) record
SPRINTER. Testosterone supplements are easy to get your hands on. The same can't be same about EPO (which will benefit distance runners)
True...compounds like DHEA & 19-nor DHEA are sold as dietary supplements & cost pennies.
DHEA has been shown in may studies to increase testosterone, estradiol & IGF-1 in both men & women. However, the studies involved older individuals 65+ who have age-related deficiencies with those hormones.
I don't think DHEA supplementation would do any good - and could be outright dangerous - for HS & college kids whose DHEA is a peak levels.
So I wonder in your guys mind who believe distance high school athletes are doping, how do you look at a kid and say oh he’s on something? Sophomores going 8.5x in 3200? Sophomores going 4:0x in 1600. Anyone close to breaking 4 in the mile. Seems like a lot of guessing and assumptions going on. In my state the distance times are getting better and better but it’s because one outside training facility is working privately with over 400 kids across the state. If you were not aware of that you could easily assume something else could be going on.
Yes, he was a talented athlete and at that time did more distance training than anyone else in that team sport conditioning workout (not football), but it was still doping in HS (wasn't even an upperclassman, 10th grade), to the OP's question. It would have likely aided and enhanced his recovery after training, at least. (This was prior to EPO being available in the US.)
Why the f!ck was my post deleted? I stated I googled erythopoesis (sp) stimulating agents and found a couple of websites without prescription in 5 minutes. Kids are taking it and you're delusional if you think it never happens
How many times restarting this thread? For every poster that thinks high schoolers are doping (or pretends to know one that is) please specify what they are using and give an estimate on how much time improvement. Thanks in advance for the laughs.
Centrowitz ran 4:03 (mile) / 8:41 (2 mile) / 13:58 in high school and he certainly had good training. I don't believe there are 10 people per year - at the very minimum - more talented than he is
Search almost ANY high schooler's name in USADA and there's no history of any drug test. Seeing certain state meet results today made me bump this thread.
Based on past surveys, there has always been doping in high school sports to a degree. But it typically accompanies a clear economic incentive. So top football players are an example. Also top baseball prospects, such as Alex Rodriguez, who doped in high school looking to get signed by a pro team. Sprinters as well, such as Marian Jones, who was let off but who doped in high school. (Like the Assinga case it seems). But again top high sprinters have a shot at Olympic glory, so the incentive is there.
In high school distance that incentive structure was not present, but I thin that has changed. With social media and NIL and the prospects of a pro contract, it may now "pay" to dope as a high school distance runner. I think we have seen it already. Hopefully that was a one off.
Athletes in basketball and football can have different motivations than distance runners. Some of them have zero interest in education, but they can’t be drafted be out of HS, so receiving a scholarship is a must.
A-Rod was a scumbag, and he probably only cheated because he could.
Search almost ANY high schooler's name in USADA and there's no history of any drug test. Seeing certain state meet results today made me bump this thread.
High school students are generally only tested by USADA if they make a US team. The only names you find are people like Addy Wiley, Ellie Shea, Mia Brahe Pedersen, Hana and Amanda Moll, Juliette Whittaker, Roisin Willis, etc. Elizabeth Leachman has not been a part of any team but has been tested - I guess it may have been for an U18 record or something.
High school students are generally only tested by USADA if they make a US team. The only names you find are people like Addy Wiley, Ellie Shea, Mia Brahe Pedersen, Hana and Amanda Moll, Juliette Whittaker, Roisin Willis, etc. Elizabeth Leachman has not been a part of any team but has been tested - I guess it may have been for an U18 record or something.
So you’re saying there’s nothing stopping them from doping since they’ll never be tested.
