I commented a few days back about Jerry wrecking Noakes. He's our best U20 runner aside from Cam Myers. The reason he's so good is because he races so often. Pretty sure he already committed to somewhere else before changing to Oregon in 2022. Not sure who was advising him but they fked up.
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The Unknown Citizen wrote:
The Oregon name, the facilities, etc., will always draw a certain number of elite athletes. That said, word travels quickly, and so if prospective recruits are seeing injured runners and transfers and decommits that will eventually weigh on recruiting. It seems to be less of an issue thus far on the women's side. I think Elmore running 15:15 after Shalane coming aboard is positive news for recruits.
Evidently Shalane has a different approach from Jerry. Tonight Silan Ayyildiz ran 15:15.84, just missing Elmore's 15:15.79.
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The Unknown Citizen wrote:
The Oregon name, the facilities, etc., will always draw a certain number of elite athletes.
But what nobody understands is that certain number will never be the most, let alone the most top sprinter/jumpers who can double/triple/relay their way to a team title.
Before the 2010's era (when Oregon won 2 or 3), the last Oregon men's team title was in 1984. In the decades between, there was Arkansas more times than anyone can count, the southern Cal schools, and south and southeast schools. The entire notion of Oregon team dominance is fiction, a trope of TV coverage. It never happened.
Yes they had quite a few dominant individuals, big deal. There is no I in team. The team means nothing.56 -
Jerry was never qualified to be the head coach at Oregon. Never. While maybe sometimes a jerk Robert Johnson was an amazing head coach. Here is some history of NCAA titles
Cross Country NCAA titles for Oregon: 2007, 2008, 2012, 2016
Indoor Track NCAA titles for Oregon: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Outdoor NCAA titles for Oregon: 2014, 2015, 2017
When Oregon chooses the "right" coach they will always be in the NCAA title picture. When not they get a lot of crap as they should. This horrible hire should be laid at the feet of none other than Phil Knight. Jerry was Phil's boy and Knight stepped in and made the Oregon AD hire Jerry when the job was going to offered to someone else who would have done a great job. Nike can eat their crap now.
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Oregon Men won 2021 indoor NCAA’s and were runner up outdoors as recently as 2021.
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Everybody's more knowledgeable than me but I think the interest is because Robert Johnson built such a consistently high-performing program and now he's gone and the program is not doing as well and it's noticeable.
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Phil Knight's plan was always more than shoes. That beautiful facility -- which I became familiar with for all ten days of Oregon22 -- is a reminder that Nike basically owns track and field. You have to appreciate his support of the sport. I tell myself.
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What is Robert Johnson doing now?
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the whole thing is silly wrote:
The Unknown Citizen wrote:
The Oregon name, the facilities, etc., will always draw a certain number of elite athletes.
But what nobody understands is that certain number will never be the most, let alone the most top sprinter/jumpers who can double/triple/relay their way to a team title.
Before the 2010's era (when Oregon won 2 or 3), the last Oregon men's team title was in 1984. In the decades between, there was Arkansas more times than anyone can count, the southern Cal schools, and south and southeast schools. The entire notion of Oregon team dominance is fiction, a trope of TV coverage. It never happened.
Yes they had quite a few dominant individuals, big deal. There is no I in team. The team means nothing.
No one here (except for you) is bringing up Oregon's ability to score points at a national championship. The discussion is about the gap between Oregon's undeniable history of developing top distance running talent, and the misfires of today.
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djdjajNdzb wrote:
Why does it matter if Oregon is good or not? People are so obsessed with Jerry and Oregon for no reason.
Funding, facilities, and the most iconic program. Whoever is in charge Oregon will always be scrutinized if things aren't going well.
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I also found it strange that Steury would transfer last year from a good school like Notre Dame to go run for Oregon.
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the whole thing is silly wrote:
The Unknown Citizen wrote:
The Oregon name, the facilities, etc., will always draw a certain number of elite athletes.
But what nobody understands is that certain number will never be the most, let alone the most top sprinter/jumpers who can double/triple/relay their way to a team title.
Before the 2010's era (when Oregon won 2 or 3), the last Oregon men's team title was in 1984. In the decades between, there was Arkansas more times than anyone can count, the southern Cal schools, and south and southeast schools. The entire notion of Oregon team dominance is fiction, a trope of TV coverage. It never happened.
Yes they had quite a few dominant individuals, big deal. There is no I in team. The team means nothing.
Exactly.
This is what happens when you fire the head coach who had won the most team titles in the last 10 years and bring in a guy so far removed from the collegiate scene.
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Track historian wrote:
When Oregon chooses the "right" coach they will always be in the NCAA title picture. When not they get a lot of crap as they should. This horrible hire should be laid at the feet of none other than Phil Knight. Jerry was Phil's boy and Knight stepped in and made the Oregon AD hire Jerry when the job was going to offered to someone else who would have done a great job. Nike can eat their crap now.
I can't believe they let go of Ben Thomas for this. Dude got Teare and Hocker to be 2 of the best guys in the world and then got fired after like 1 year. Imagine what he could've done with Birnbaum, a 3:37 HSer.
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Robert Johnson wasn’t the head coach at Oregon in 2007 and 2008. Vin Lananna would like to educate you on the history of Oregon Track and Field coaches.
Before you sound off, do some basic research online. Geez, some people are just incompetent here.
Also, respect people for their accomplishments by paying them the due respect, not giving titles to other individuals.
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Oh you were also wrong about 2011 and 2012.
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The Oregon disaster is crazy to me. I have been running since I was 7 years old, I am 28 now. I ran 5 years of NCAA track and I follow the sport closely. I do not undertand what is going wrong at Oregon. Jerry is arguable one of the best and well known track coaches of all time in the US. Love or hate them the Bowerman brand is extremely recognizable. I wonder if he is spread too thin trying to run a program and coach college kids. Jerry is not a bad coach by any means so its weird to me that he hasnt found sucess at Oregon. Maybe this is a lesson in life that if you spread yourself too thin you are no good to anyone. In Jerrys cases hes losing both pro and college runners.
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class of 2024 wrote:
Jonathan Commentor wrote:
Adam Burlison already de-committed from Oregon
what are the repercussions to withdraw when signing a letter of intent?
why are you asking a bunch of people this question? do you think anyone here would be of the quality to have signed ? ha.
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Coaching aside. Peel back the onion and Jerry is a bad person.
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It depends whether the athlete was locked into a national letter of intent (NLI), if burlinson said he was committed and just posted about it, there is no consequence for switching schools. However, if he did sign an NLI, he has to submit a request a release, and can potentially lose a year of eligibility in the NCAA. Crazy to think losing a year of eligibility was worth getting out of Eugene if that was the case.
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