Too early for him to think about making a switch to the throws though he is a bit chunky. Should stick with distance events a little longer. Or just go full time into social influencing. Will make much more money that way than as an athlete.
Lex and Leo can’t really respect to turn into 13:10 guys running 85 miles a week at sea level. With their current “progression” they’ll end up being 13:20-25 guys as seniors unless they change something up
He ran 13:35 of 60... you actually think they need to double your mileage to run 25 seconds faster...
I disagree, clearly the Stanford coach is not doing a good job. If you were the coach they'd be magically running 13:10 though.
The problem is it doesn’t seem like Lex and Leo have progressed aerobically since high school. Lex ran an 8:43 3200m as a sophomore, 13:43/7:57 as a junior, and 13:34 as a senior. Now he’s run 29:25/13:49/7:55 as a college frosh.
Leo ran 3:39 as a strength based high school runner and now only 13:46
Compare that to Nico ran 13:50 in high school and 13:24 his freshman year of college
At the end of the day running is an aerobic sport and Lex and Leo don’t seem any aerobically fitter than they did as high school seniors or even juniors
Let's take a minute to recognise that Sean Brosnan was actually a really good coach.
Anyway, I think the problem is that they are not as hungry as the other guys anymore. They have the money sponsorships, the followers, the popularity now.. they also strike me as the type who are out partying a lot. Probably drinking, probably get ill a lot because of it.
This one is on Lex. When will athletes take accountability for their own performances? When a star basketball player shoots 4 for 20 with 8 turnovers and they lose, is that the coach's fault?
Lex needs to do better. Stop the podcast and YouTube garbage, stop going to parties, quit being a bro and train more seriously.
I would think he’d be inspired by Nico’s recent achievements.
I actually agree they’re probably not getting adequate speed development either. It’s likely both their aerobic conditioning and top end speed and form work aren’t quite at the level that Nico’s gotten at NAU
I always got the feeling Hicks was so good because he was disciplined at getting 115 miles per week in on his own terms and Robinson because he’s absurdly talented and benefited from doing the aerobic work with Hicks
You don't even make sense. You complain because they do too much aerobic work but then you also complain that their aerobic conditioning isn't good enough. You know Stanford is not at altitude, right?
Aren't Leo and Lex absurdly talented? Why aren't they disciplined at hitting high mileage?
I actually agree they’re probably not getting adequate speed development either. It’s likely both their aerobic conditioning and top end speed and form work aren’t quite at the level that Nico’s gotten at NAU
I always got the feeling Hicks was so good because he was disciplined at getting 115 miles per week in on his own terms and Robinson because he’s absurdly talented and benefited from doing the aerobic work with Hicks
You don't even make sense. You complain because they do too much aerobic work but then you also complain that their aerobic conditioning isn't good enough. You know Stanford is not at altitude, right?
Aren't Leo and Lex absurdly talented? Why aren't they disciplined at hitting high mileage?
How much speed work does Ingebritsen do?
Stanford is a place to become a student and get a great job. You don’t pick Stanford to develop as a runner and do impressive things on the track. No good coach wanted the Stanford job and they got what they got for a reason
I don’t think he HAS to transfer to run fast. Clearly the Young family is extraordinarily talented, but Lex and Leo need to show more aerobic progression. In one of their YouTube videos they said 85 miles per week is the highest they’ve been running this year.
Despite being controversial on these boards, I think Brosnan is a good high school developer in that he can get his athletes to run extraordinarily quick from 800m to 5k off of 60-70 miles per week. But to develop into a 13:10/27:30 guy you’ve gotta be running triple digit miles or pretty close.
Lex and Leo can’t really respect to turn into 13:10 guys running 85 miles a week at sea level. With their current “progression” they’ll end up being 13:20-25 guys as seniors unless they change something up
Or have insane talent. Apparently Anthony Rotich runs 70 mpw and just ran 27:08 at the TEN.
But how much quality is he doing? Elite performance is always a function of volume * intensity of training. Some athletes respond better to high volume with relatively less intensity than their low-volume counterparts who may get injured at those high volumes but handle lots of quality very well.
Or have insane talent. Apparently Anthony Rotich runs 70 mpw and just ran 27:08 at the TEN.
But how much quality is he doing? Elite performance is always a function of volume * intensity of training. Some athletes respond better to high volume with relatively less intensity than their low-volume counterparts who may get injured at those high volumes but handle lots of quality very well.
Some athletes need good coaching in order to run fast and bad coaching in order to perform poorly.
But how much quality is he doing? Elite performance is always a function of volume * intensity of training. Some athletes respond better to high volume with relatively less intensity than their low-volume counterparts who may get injured at those high volumes but handle lots of quality very well.
Some athletes need good coaching in order to run fast and bad coaching in order to perform poorly.
I was stating the obvious because I don't like it when it's suggested that one runner who does 70 mpw must be supremely gifted because they don't need to do triple digits.
Ricardo Santos just sucks. He sucked at BAA and no one wanted to work with JJ Clark and with that comes a coach named Ricardo Santos. After a while Lex has to either completely give up on running or transfer if he wants running to be a priority
I don’t think he HAS to transfer to run fast. Clearly the Young family is extraordinarily talented, but Lex and Leo need to show more aerobic progression. In one of their YouTube videos they said 85 miles per week is the highest they’ve been running this year.
Despite being controversial on these boards, I think Brosnan is a good high school developer in that he can get his athletes to run extraordinarily quick from 800m to 5k off of 60-70 miles per week. But to develop into a 13:10/27:30 guy you’ve gotta be running triple digit miles or pretty close.
Lex and Leo can’t really respect to turn into 13:10 guys running 85 miles a week at sea level. With their current “progression” they’ll end up being 13:20-25 guys as seniors unless they change something up
Triple digit miles in high school and or triple digit miles in University definitely produce fast times… for a time. Not necessarily the optimum for long term development nor longevity.
I think these guys are doing great off of what they are doing and there is no need to change to super high mileage for quicker results during university years. They are running solid times and have proven talent. Stanford is a place where most go to school to go to school. Finding that balance between athletics, academics and being a young person having some fun is hard at any higher learning institution and even harder at the more selective higher learning institutions.
There isn’t many athletes that I can think of who did big miles during high school, carried that through University and were able to excel as a professional for a long career. In fact, under the triple digit miles regime some of those “generational talents” fall apart during high school or during University or never pan out as a pro and people ride on them to the point they quit the sport because of injuring or not living up to lofty expectations other put on them.
Nothing wrong with 70 -85 miles per week during University and getting it done in the classroom and on the track then transitioning to the pros and giving it a few years to actively progress.
Thinking long term is in the best interest of the athlete. Not so often headed by coaches that want results and bonuses at University and not so often headed by coaches and parents during high school that think their athlete or kid is the next phenom.
Case in point is Grant Fisher. He had great results through high school and college because he was surrounded by people who understood talent and long term development. Could he have done even more during those years - yes. How did he do after one year of higher mileage as a pro and how is he doing now - he is a world beater and has many more years ahead at that level.
Leo ran a 13:46 5k yesterday. Same heat Colin salhman won in 13:38. Leo was 5th. Alex Maier was just in front of him in 13:40 which seems like a bad race for alex?
Leo ran a 13:46 5k yesterday. Same heat Colin salhman won in 13:38. Leo was 5th. Alex Maier was just in front of him in 13:40 which seems like a bad race for alex?
7:55 (or 7:54 - I don't remember which and I don't care since that's no real difference) 3000 indoors should be far better than 13:46 5000 outdoors.
I think Lex just had a really bad day. Leo running 13:46 isn't ideal but it isn't terrible either. Lex still ran 13:49 indoors which was faster than he ran indoors last year. 29:25 probably isn't the fastest he could go.
Sometimes freshman have an adjustment period, hopefully next year it will click. They ain’t leaving Stanford. Only an idiot leaves one of the best universities in the world, they’ll stick it out like that Harvard dirtbag who quit the team.