10-15 years ago Mead was at the top of the heap for this sort of thing with a solid list of sub-4:20 and sub-9:20. But now, in the era of 25 guys running under 8:50 in a year, all-time sub 9:10/9:20 depth isn't quite as impactful.
Which schools are the most competitive to break into the all-time lists?
High School Running
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Manly yus wrote:
What about on the girls side? Fayetteville Manlius?
not as good as their cross country performances. I am sure there is another girl's team with better all-time performances on the track.
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Scategories wrote:
The Woodlands TX has 15 sub-9:20 guys
This list, and I’m assuming all the other lists from athletic.net, are very incomplete. The woodlands list only goes back about 10 years or so. There are two other guys from the school that went sub-9, at least two more right at 9:00. The school was known as McCullough from 1976-1996 when it changed to the woodlands high school.
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Jesuit OR has to be one of the tougher schools when you convert 1500 and 3k races
Top 10/Top 20
4:14/4:19
9:15/9:24
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How so? I already told you that CBA has 50 guys under 4:20. My own high school has 13 guys sub 4:20 and I never considered the school to be great.
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yeah newbury wrote:
Manly yus wrote:
What about on the girls side? Fayetteville Manlius?
not as good as their cross country performances. I am sure there is another girl's team with better all-time performances on the track.
The FM boys list is not great for a program that made NXN 12 times in a row and won it in 2014 and took second in 2017
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Manly yus wrote:
What about on the girls side? Fayetteville Manlius?
This school - state champs in XC - had five girls break 5 in 2023 for 1600m. Amazing depth. If I was that coach, I wouldn't even know which girls to let run the 1600m for the state meet; you can only let 2 run at the sectional meet to qualify, which doesn't seem fair under these circumstances; it's possible they all could've medaled (top 9) at the state meet in 2023.Also, their rival is really good, esp. at the 800m
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yeah newbury wrote:
Manly yus wrote:
What about on the girls side? Fayetteville Manlius?
not as good as their cross country performances. I am sure there is another girl's team with better all-time performances on the track.
There might be but these are actually pretty good. 4:36 for 1500 gets you about as far as 4:16 for 1600 does for guys. That's a pretty good top 10. 9:58 for 3k, similar to 9:15 for 3200, also pretty good. Definitely not comparable to their XC, but I'd be surprised if there's another program that blows them out of the water.
Ever since they first lost to Wayzata in 2013, Aris stopped caring about track and only focused on XC. Many of their top times are 10+ years old, and especially in the relays. I imagine if they kept it up in track they would have much better all-time lists (and certainly deeper).
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my two pennies wrote:
yeah newbury wrote:
not as good as their cross country performances. I am sure there is another girl's team with better all-time performances on the track.
There might be but these are actually pretty good. 4:36 for 1500 gets you about as far as 4:16 for 1600 does for guys. That's a pretty good top 10. 9:58 for 3k, similar to 9:18 for 3200, also pretty good. Definitely not comparable to their XC, but I'd be surprised if there's another program that blows them out of the water.
Checked it out and Saratoga cuts off at 4:33 for 1500 and 9:59 for 3k. Pretty comparable. The most impressive thing is actually probably the fact that their top 20 3k times cuts off at 10:08. That's gotta be the best in the nation for sure.
Also should mention New York doesn't really use Athletic.Net, so there may be a number of performances missing that you can find on MileSplit.
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There's probably a lot of school's people are not thinking about with equally hard lists to get on. Results were not really uploaded online consistently until like 2006. Athletic.net and Mile splits historical data is not always accurate because many schools had great runners in the 80s and 90s that may have very little results online. Example: Letsrun did a profile on Richard Kimball the other day, he was a fantastic runner that won Jr World XC in the 70s, when I went to look up some of his stats and Prs I could barely find anything online. His IAAF page only has the Jr world title on it and nothing else. There's probably a lot of schools out there with deep lists that you can't really find online.
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5YearNcaa wrote:
There's probably a lot of school's people are not thinking about with equally hard lists to get on. Results were not really uploaded online consistently until like 2006. Athletic.net and Mile splits historical data is not always accurate because many schools had great runners in the 80s and 90s that may have very little results online. Example: Letsrun did a profile on Richard Kimball the other day, he was a fantastic runner that won Jr World XC in the 70s, when I went to look up some of his stats and Prs I could barely find anything online. His IAAF page only has the Jr world title on it and nothing else. There's probably a lot of schools out there with deep lists that you can't really find online.
That's exactly correct. My HS had a very strong distance program (for the state of Louisiana) from 1975 - 1983. We had a number of 9:30 2 milers and a few milers under 4:20. I go to Athletic.net and it lists our 1600 school record at 4:53 and 3200 at 10:59, as by the early 2000's the distance program had basically disappeared.
Similar thing happened when US HS track went metric in 1980. Bobby Beck (1979) ran a 4:07 mile for the state meet record. Louisiana HSAA erased all non-metric records in 1980, as opposed to doing some easy conversions. The state meet 1600 record is listed as 4:12, even though that is vastly inferior to Beck's 4:07 mile. Hopefully, not all states took this approach for managing records.
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yeah newbury wrote:
I would say they are solid top 10 but after that it's a drop off. The program was only insanely good when sean brosnan took over
This time is missing from athletic.net
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Scategories wrote:
yeah newbury wrote:
I would say they are solid top 10 but after that it's a drop off. The program was only insanely good when sean brosnan took over
This time is missing from athletic.net
I had some workouts that aren't on athletic.net too.
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This is the winner wrote:
Scategories wrote:
Jesuit CA has had many sub-9s and sub-9:15s. Lange has been coaching this team for decades and is still around
This is the winner.
20th fastest all time 3200 runner is - 9:15
20th fastest all time 1600 meter runner is - 4:17
Can anyone find a fastest all-time list for a team?
Jesuit CA has a couple of freshmen and sophomores that can crack these lists at some point
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Herriman is shooting to put 10 guys sub 9:20 for the 3200 this year alone...
CBA is at 8 so far this year
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Determining the worst high schools for achieving top 20 all-time marks on Athletic.net would depend on various factors such as the level of competition in the region, the resources available to the school for training and facilities, coaching expertise, and overall athletic culture. Generally, schools in highly competitive regions with strong athletic programs and a history of producing top-tier athletes might pose a greater challenge for achieving top 20 all-time marks due to the stiff competition and high standards set by previous athletes. Conversely, schools in regions with lower levels of competition or limited resources for athletics might have fewer athletes achieving top marks overall.
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Jhon54487 wrote:
Determining the worst high schools for achieving top 20 all-time marks on Athletic.net would depend on various factors such as the level of competition in the region, the resources available to the school for training and facilities, coaching expertise, and overall athletic culture. Generally, schools in highly competitive regions with strong athletic programs and a history of producing top-tier athletes might pose a greater challenge for achieving top 20 all-time marks due to the stiff competition and high standards set by previous athletes. Conversely, schools in regions with lower levels of competition or limited resources for athletics might have fewer athletes achieving top marks overall.
Please don't use Chat GPT for your response...
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Jhon54487 wrote:
Determining the worst high schools for achieving top 20 all-time marks on Athletic.net would depend on various factors such as the level of competition in the region, the resources available to the school for training and facilities, coaching expertise, and overall athletic culture. Generally, schools in highly competitive regions with strong athletic programs and a history of producing top-tier athletes might pose a greater challenge for achieving top 20 all-time marks due to the stiff competition and high standards set by previous athletes. Conversely, schools in regions with lower levels of competition or limited resources for athletics might have fewer athletes achieving top marks overall.
And this is relevant how? Why did you just list every factor involved in competitive all time lists.
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