Centrowitz should have made transition to 5000m yrs ago. He ran 13:00.40 in 2020?
Has no shot at 1500m success at this stage. Can't take away that Gold Medal though.
The 5000m would never have been his best distance and getting older won’t change that.
Sure. No one said that 5000m would be his best distance. That said, it would likely be his best distance later in his career. He ran 13:00.4 without even concentrating on the event. Should have been doing so the last 2-3 years. In a moderately paced 5k (no rabbit), he would have been very dangerous with 400 to go. At this point, its all too late. Had a great career though.
The 5000m would never have been his best distance and getting older won’t change that.
Sure. No one said that 5000m would be his best distance. That said, it would likely be his best distance later in his career. He ran 13:00.4 without even concentrating on the event. Should have been doing so the last 2-3 years. In a moderately paced 5k (no rabbit), he would have been very dangerous with 400 to go. At this point, its all too late. Had a great career though.
Exactly. A savvy racer with good closing speed and experience + 13flat speed is certainly a threat at 5000m for USA's. Alas, it wasn't so.
lets see him in the steeple wrote: Cole, Yared and Hobbs (plus add an unexpected fast outlier) will not allow the semis, let alone the finals, to be anything other than a world class burnup to guarantee their fitness sees them through. Centro doesnt make the final
Hot garbage take here. Sure, those three are undoubtedly stronger and faster than Centro at this point (and I'd be surprised if Centro actually makes the Final) but lets not pretend USA's (semi's or finals) are really ever run as a "burnup." A fast final 800-1000m is usually in the mix for the ~3:35 races but no one is running a PR at USA's. Centro actually has the fastest USA 1500m win in recent memory - 2016 in 3:34.09.
I would go as far to say that Centro does not even make the final at trials for the mile. He isn't great anymore like he used to be, let's call it like it is
He wil make the finals at the trials in the mile as he will be the only one in the mile race. 😉
This is a massive miscalculation of Wheating - the only other athlete to pull off the NCAA 800m 1500m double crown is none other than Juaquim Cruz... you know, 1:41.7, that guy. (mind you he beat Robby Andrews in the 8 and Centro and AJ Costa in the 15). 6 middle distance races in 4 days.... Andrew didn't just have that one off 1500m, he beat Nick Symmonds in an 800m the following month running 1:44.56. Those PR's were achieved at age 23, centro did not break 3:31 or 1:45 until he was 26. Three years behind Andy. That lads comment was spot on, Andrew Wheating was so talented he made teams with some of the worst tactics possible and running considerable amount of meters further than most in the field, often in lane 3 on the curve to stay out of trouble. If Andrew stayed healthy he'd have American records 800m and 1500m right now (Nuguse would eventually break his 1500m but no way Wheating is slower than Mo Farah, drugs or not).
I wish distance running 5K & 10K deadenders on here would realize the logic of dropping both 5000m & 10000m and adding 3000m to international T&F schedule. We know 10000m/ 1/2 Marathon athletes are capable of fast 3000m TT. So many age 28 to 30-something aged out 1500m runners would move up to 3000m if on Olympic schedule. It would be exciting. Recall: hype at 1984 Olympics, Mary Decker v. Zola Budd at 3000m was huge. Every Olympics could be similar to: Hicham el G v. Eliud Kipchoge, 3000m.
Matt Centrowitz and his 13:00.xx 5000m glorified TT reminds me of F Carl Lewis jumping over 30ft. as a 19 year old but scratched by less than 1/2 an inch. Lewis never came close to 30ft. LJ again.
Matt C. could have been battling for 3000m international medals over the past seven years but 5000m is too much of a leap for a true 800/1500 man.
It is interesting to see the arc of different top running careers. Centro could still pop some great races, but it would be a surprise to see him on the team for Paris. He did earn multiple medals over a six season stretch. Pretty amazing guy! Talent and racing smarts.
It is interesting to see a guy like Kipchoge run so well for so long (he ran 2:02 last September, but will he even get to Paris?) -- and in fact Bekele is a bit older than Kipchoge and just ran 2:04 last fall. Then there is Lagat, who threatened for a medal in the 5000 in Rio over at over 40 years.
How to explain why some can stay at the top as they get older, and some can't?
Going way back, Ron Clarke didn't even hit world class until he quit running, then came back in his late 20s and started setting world records. On the other hand we have Jim Ryun, who peaked at age 19-20. He still ran a couple great races at 25 (Oly trials close in 51-point, and a fast mile in Toronto after that), but he never regained that early greatness.
The keys, don't get injured, train smart, above all stay motivated/hungry.
Love Centro, but 34 is long in the tooth for a 1500 guy
Willis made the semifinal in Tokyo at 38.
Willis was a little bit of a freak in his longevity for a miler. Also from a lifestyle standpoint he lived in a way that would make it easier to extend your career than Centro does.
It is interesting to see the arc of different top running careers. Centro could still pop some great races, but it would be a surprise to see him on the team for Paris. He did earn multiple medals over a six season stretch. Pretty amazing guy! Talent and racing smarts.
It is interesting to see a guy like Kipchoge run so well for so long (he ran 2:02 last September, but will he even get to Paris?) -- and in fact Bekele is a bit older than Kipchoge and just ran 2:04 last fall. Then there is Lagat, who threatened for a medal in the 5000 in Rio over at over 40 years.
How to explain why some can stay at the top as they get older, and some can't?
Going way back, Ron Clarke didn't even hit world class until he quit running, then came back in his late 20s and started setting world records. On the other hand we have Jim Ryun, who peaked at age 19-20. He still ran a couple great races at 25 (Oly trials close in 51-point, and a fast mile in Toronto after that), but he never regained that early greatness.
The keys, don't get injured, train smart, above all stay motivated/hungry.
I am not going to accuse anyone of p.e.d. use in this thread but longevity and p.e.d.s must be discussed. You probably should start a longevity thread.
> Adding natural hormones may increase length of one's career.
> High doses and prolonged moderate doses of steroids will shorten a career.
> Can periodic microdosing of steroids lengthen a career?
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I would go as far to say that Centro does not even make the final at trials for the mile. He isn't great anymore like he used to be, let's call it like it is
You're right. He won't make the finals for the mile at the trials. And neither will anyone else.