Luis Grijalva comments on Mo Katir Suspension

Running in the slow heat at a couple open meets and running times average collegiates run doesn’t make you someone that “competed with pros” check the ego at the door big dawg

Just let take whatever.

Careful Icarus-

WOW, 24 downvotes that quickly.

You guys really think he's clean?!

You really think Fisher was clean when he ran those insane times too while running for Jerry?!

Nuguse?

I am genuinely astonished by that type of logic. It continues to astonish me how many athletes you seem to think are clean simply because you have "a feeling", not because you're looking at the numbers and remembering history or even know them as people.

Ok, I'll leave it there I guess.

Luis speaks the truth. It is the responsibility of ALL professional athletes to be available for drug testing . As he said 1 hour per day where you will be for drug testing to occur. Our sport needs zero tolerance

That part is most confusing. When he says, I didn't know I had 2nd violation. I thought they would know immediately? Anyone here who got a warning of a missed test? I'm guessing you immediately are informed, no?

Maybe "missed tests" website should be built/shared and the fans can tell athletes they are sitting on two missed test and no room for error?

Not immediately, but yes, some 2 - 4 weeks later.

Mon , innocent 😇

I know your view is not popular here, but if you think about it, everyone is admonishing the guy who finishes a 5000 less than one second ahead of the other guy. What makes one assumed dirty and the other clean? Everyone knows it's relatively easy to dodge the testing system.

This reads as the words of someone that wasn’t working with top athletes in 2016. Or 2024, for that matter.

That said, Katir is one of those rare athletes who has had continued success in recent times and has been openly suspected by his peers. I’ve heard another very successful Spanish athlete say that Katir was definitely operating outside of rules and we’re all with Luis in being glad that he won’t be able to steal a spot in Paris from a legitimate athlete. A shame, however, that he’s stamped his name all over the Spanish records book, but honestly their federation has been appalling in their bending and breaking of the rules in cases such as these.

How many athletes that make the 5k world or Olympic final are clean ? Not many!

Give us an education in that case, Grassrunner. Educate us how you have avoided being caught violating the anti doping regs. Tell us what you know, as an experienced anti-doping controls evader and I’ll give you my perspective as someone who has been familiar with the compliance and protocols of UKAD, WADA, USADA, AIU, et cetera, for years and years.

OK, I'm not an expert on this. But please, if you have the knowledge, please explain how difficult it is for dopers to evade the protocols. Shed some light on this subject so we can all feel comfortable that the system is working.

Looking at the finals in Budapest, about half of the men’s and women’s fields were absolutely legitimate. There are some others with whom I’m less familiar (I’d want some more detail). Others I have to keep in limbo because of some, shall we say, unfortunate associations. But I’ve known absolutely clean athletes who were otherwise coached or managed by someone with an unsavoury past so I’d reserve judgement, pending more information.

And a handful, including Katir, we knew were cheating the system from early on. I’ve said this before, given enough chances, the anti doping powers are likely to get their man. If you’re sure on cheating, your best move is to be a one hit wonder and then to disappear into the ether straight afterwards.

That was my point.

Luis’s statement was very simple and powerful. Nicely done and certainly resonated. No denying that.
but so did Lance Armstrong’s statements and even commercials. It’s easy to lie and fabricate an image. You can literally hire firms to craft your image for you. You can have people write your statements and post them on instagram too.

I have EXACTLY the same amount of info and proof of these guys doping as you do.
Please don’t act like my feeling or think is somehow different than yours. Also, how was it an attack when not directed at the runners in question and posed as questions to the forum? If I “attack” someone I have a lot more evidence. Probably an attorney making sure I’m not getting into libel/slander. Also, I wouldn’t use a question mark…

Lastly, my post was questions based on numbers (runner’s times) and their suspicious progression, not a feeling.