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THIS IS KELVIN KIPTUM'S AMBITIOUS TRAINING PLAN TO GET DOWN FROM 2 HOURS IN A MARATHON. Kiptum turns 24 this year, he is the new world marathon champion with (WR 2:00:35 reached in Chicago) and is convinced that next April 14th he will be able to become the first athlete in history to go down two hours in the mythical distance of 42.195 kilometers and chose the very flat city of Rotterdam (Netherlands) to face this enormous challenge. "I will go there to run fast, the tour is ideal and the crowd on the streets encourages you to give your best. I would like to be part of the rich history of this marathon. If the preparation goes in the right direction, with peaks of 270 kilometers a week, and the weather conditions allow it, I will go", explained the new Marathon phenomenon. Rotterdam presents itself as an ideal marathon for its route and the time of year in which it runs so that the Kenyan star has the chance to break down a mythical barrier during the marathon. For this reason he will plan three months of training with peaks of up to 270 kilometers per week but without reaching the 300K that he included in his preparation for the Chicago Marathon, where he beat the world record of his compatriot Eliud Kipchoge (2:01:09) in October 2023.
This is how Kiptum's training will be.
On Monday Kiptum will run between 25K and 28K in the morning at a pace that varies between 4'10 and 3'40/km. +12K in the afternoon.
On Tuesday he will do a track session or Fartlek (a split race that alternates between fast and slow pace). For example, 3′ fast/1′ slow, +3′ fast/1′ slow. All for an hour. +12K jogging in the afternoon. Wednesday, like Monday, has between 25 and 28K in the morning. +12K in the afternoon.
Thursday qualifies as a "hard" day, because he will run between 30K and 40K at a pace close to that of a marathon (2:58/km). There is no activity in the afternoon.
Friday jogs between 25K and 28K morning. +12K in the afternoon. On Saturday, like Tuesday, he does track or split on the road. +Soft trout in the afternoon.
Mr. Kiptum will not rest on Sunday, because he will start between 32K and 40K at a good pace. There will be no activities in the afternoon.
What do you guys think Will be the winning time of the Olympic Marathon in Paris? Looking at the course and taking in consideration there Will be no pacers. What time Is going to run the winner?
I'm going to state the obvious. If he was doping, he (his agent, or whoever) would not share that training plan. He would not destroy the WR, but barely go sub 2:01 He would not say he was going for sub 2 in the next race. If he was cheating, he would not be the most obvious cheater ever. I believe he's clean, and crossing fingers for him not breaking his body before breaking 2.
Every other endurance sport (>1hr) sees occasional training beyond the distance of the event. Cycling, open water swimming, triathlon, CC skiing, (you could even say things like tennis, soccer, rowing) all regularly do training longer than their event.
For beginners wanting to finish a marathon the 'long run' is rightly limited to a fraction of the race. But why should this hold for elites? Surely for a top 1% runner the fatigue from a 30 mile run isn't so great as to offset the gain? That's less than 3h at a comfortable training pace. Every other endurance sport has landed on long distance sessions as an ideal way to build base fitness. It's strange that running has landed on such relatively short distances as a maximum.
Not only the the maximums for individual runs, but also the global training time. Most other endurance sports land on 25-35h/week. If Kiptum is doing 270k/week at a 4.5m/k that's barely 20h. A ton of volume for a runner but still lower than every other endurance sport.
Maybe the supershoes will change this phenomenon by reducing the fatigue from any given run. Maybe Kiptum is the first to make such 'over-distance' training work at a high level. Idk, but interested to see.
The training program doesn't explain anything like his performances really. It seems to be one really hard long day, esp. factoring in the altitude, and then the other days are either easy, but with lots of miles, or indeterminate--a track day, a day with fairly good pace, a fartlek. The track, fartlek, and fairly good pace descriptions don't give much away.
I'm going to state the obvious. If he was doping, he (his agent, or whoever) would not share that training plan. He would not destroy the WR, but barely go sub 2:01 He would not say he was going for sub 2 in the next race. If he was cheating, he would not be the most obvious cheater ever. I believe he's clean, and crossing fingers for him not breaking his body before breaking 2.
That's a reasonable point but I'm going to go the other way and say that if I was he or his coach, agent, or whatever, I absolutely would share this plan, doping or not because when the doping accusations crop up I would point to this schedule and say it's the phenomenal training that does it and not PEDs. Yes, many people will look at this schedule and say you couldn't do this for any time period without some sort of PED use, but in the 60s and 70s there were guys who did even more than is on this schedule and did it for extended periods.
I'm going to state the obvious. If he was doping, he (his agent, or whoever) would not share that training plan. He would not destroy the WR, but barely go sub 2:01 He would not say he was going for sub 2 in the next race. If he was cheating, he would not be the most obvious cheater ever. I believe he's clean, and crossing fingers for him not breaking his body before breaking 2.
That's a reasonable point but I'm going to go the other way and say that if I was he or his coach, agent, or whatever, I absolutely would share this plan, doping or not because when the doping accusations crop up I would point to this schedule and say it's the phenomenal training that does it and not PEDs. Yes, many people will look at this schedule and say you couldn't do this for any time period without some sort of PED use, but in the 60s and 70s there were guys who did even more than is on this schedule and did it for extended periods.
Agreed here. Running a 1:59 (or even a 2:01) is going to invite doping accusations anyway. Better to have an out-of-the-ordinary training program to point to as opposed to shrugging and saying you did the same, just better.
Remember Lance's coach claiming his superior performance was due to his high-cadence style.
Right there with you. If I'm doping, I would try to be as open as possible and show everyone my training. Even if he had a documentary crew, they can be in on it. I am truly in awe at how gullible some people are on here
If that schedule is real there is not a snowball’s chance in hell it’s possible without heroic doses of PEDs. No one else is training like that.
With that argument you’re basically saying he must be the only one doping because no one else can train like that.
No, he’s probably just one of the most talented guys already and the most brazen about doing drugs on top of that. Or do you really think he’s smashing all the dopers while competing clean? People thought that about Lance once, too.
HRE, you have a ton of knowledge about the runners of yore and I respect that a lot. But were guys then really doing 30-40k at close to marathon pace plus two other quality days on a weekly basis and still hitting mileage like this? I don’t doubt those guys trained hard and ran mega mileage, but if this Kiptum schedule was to be true (it probably isn’t) it would be the combination of both volume and intensity that makes it so ridiculous.
That's a reasonable point but I'm going to go the other way and say that if I was he or his coach, agent, or whatever, I absolutely would share this plan, doping or not because when the doping accusations crop up I would point to this schedule and say it's the phenomenal training that does it and not PEDs. Yes, many people will look at this schedule and say you couldn't do this for any time period without some sort of PED use, but in the 60s and 70s there were guys who did even more than is on this schedule and did it for extended periods.
Agreed here. Running a 1:59 (or even a 2:01) is going to invite doping accusations anyway. Better to have an out-of-the-ordinary training program to point to as opposed to shrugging and saying you did the same, just better.
Remember Lance's coach claiming his superior performance was due to his high-cadence style.
Do you remember the Nike commercial Armstrong did before everything hit the fan? There were shots of him on his bike in traffic, on deserted roads, in the rain, etc. with a voice over saying, "People as what I'm on. I'm on the bike six hours a day."
HRE, you have a ton of knowledge about the runners of yore and I respect that a lot. But were guys then really doing 30-40k at close to marathon pace plus two other quality days on a weekly basis and still hitting mileage like this? I don’t doubt those guys trained hard and ran mega mileage, but if this Kiptum schedule was to be true (it probably isn’t) it would be the combination of both volume and intensity that makes it so ridiculous.
Did anyone do exactly what's presented here? Probably not. Did anyone do things that could seem comparable in terms of both volume and intensity? Definitely. Shorter and Jack Bacheler were doing that kind of mileage in Vail before Munich with intervals two or three times a week. Derek Clayton was doing that kind of mileage with no intervals but at really fast paces. He and Ron Clarke usually did an 18 mile run on Thursdays that dropped everyone who started with them fairly early in the run. "Everyone" here included guys who were Olympians. On Sundays Clayton usually ran a fairly relaxed 17 miles in the morning with Ron and his group and then in the afternoon, according to Ron, Clayton did a 20-25 mile run at a much faster pace than in the morning run. Did a lot of guys do this sort of thing? Heavens no! But a handful did.
If that schedule is real there is not a snowball’s chance in hell it’s possible without heroic doses of PEDs. No one else is training like that.
Maybe no one else today is training that much without PEDs, but there have been people in the past who did that sort of mileage. Shorter was doing it before Munich, don't know about Montreal, Dave Bedford did it. Fullerton State had a bunch of guys in the early to mid 70s doing it.
This is true and I've been saying it for years. It seems that American coaches like more complicated workouts with less mileage.
Look at all the easy miles he does and look at how simple the workouts are.
I often think that an American "mindset" is to justify things by complicating them.
Even at my level I had friends in the 1970's/80's who were running mega miles and running sub 30 for 10K and equivalent times for longer distances (15K-20K) and the marathon.
Reported. Abusive attack on Kiptum, falsely accusing him of being on drugs. The poster is promoting the use of drugs in athletics by saying that drugs are needed to run fast, which is factually incorrect. Abusive drug spam posters like this one should be permanently banned from the forum.
The moderators aren't brave enough to call out these people. But they DID delete my post calling out a racist. Brave of them.
What do you guys think Will be the winning time of the Olympic Marathon in Paris? Looking at the course and taking in consideration there Will be no pacers. What time Is going to run the winner?
I've been thinking about this a lot- I'm thinking slow first half and a race of attrition after that.
Winning time? I don't know maybe 2:08ish which is kind of slow for the top guys.
An old running rule says that for every mile you race you generally need at least a day of recovery after before you can race that same distance at your best again. I feel this applies pretty accurately up to the half marathon but for the full marathon not that well. Typically most top marathon runners seem to need a good 3-6 months to fully recovery and prep again for another marathon.
Back when I was young and fast, the one day per mile raced rule seemed to work pretty well for me for anything up to a half-marathon, but I needed more like two months to come back from an all-out marathon.
My husband is a bike racer and he can't comprehend this. Bike racers regularly do hard 3-4 hour efforts back to back to back, and will regularly do a 40 K time trial, which is basically flat out for the better part of an hour, a day before or after a very hard 3-5 hour road race.
I guess the difference is the zero-impact nature of cycling? The aerobic effort is certainly equivalent, but the pounding just isn't there in cycling.
An old running rule says that for every mile you race you generally need at least a day of recovery after before you can race that same distance at your best again. I feel this applies pretty accurately up to the half marathon but for the full marathon not that well. Typically most top marathon runners seem to need a good 3-6 months to fully recovery and prep again for another marathon.
Back when I was young and fast, the one day per mile raced rule seemed to work pretty well for me for anything up to a half-marathon, but I needed more like two months to come back from an all-out marathon.
My husband is a bike racer and he can't comprehend this. Bike racers regularly do hard 3-4 hour efforts back to back to back, and will regularly do a 40 K time trial, which is basically flat out for the better part of an hour, a day before or after a very hard 3-5 hour road race.
I guess the difference is the zero-impact nature of cycling? The aerobic effort is certainly equivalent, but the pounding just isn't there in cycling.
I agree with this. Running a Tour de France or a Giro d'Italia Is aerobically more difficult and painful than running two marathons per year.
I was also wondering how Is running a big long classic (such as Paris-Roubaix) compared to running a marathon for example. I think that running a Paris-Roubaix ( 260 km with 55 km of pavè) is still more challenging
Every other endurance sport (>1hr) sees occasional training beyond the distance of the event. Cycling, open water swimming, triathlon, CC skiing, (you could even say things like tennis, soccer, rowing) all regularly do training longer than their event.
For beginners wanting to finish a marathon the 'long run' is rightly limited to a fraction of the race. But why should this hold for elites? Surely for a top 1% runner the fatigue from a 30 mile run isn't so great as to offset the gain? That's less than 3h at a comfortable training pace. Every other endurance sport has landed on long distance sessions as an ideal way to build base fitness. It's strange that running has landed on such relatively short distances as a maximum.
Not only the the maximums for individual runs, but also the global training time. Most other endurance sports land on 25-35h/week. If Kiptum is doing 270k/week at a 4.5m/k that's barely 20h. A ton of volume for a runner but still lower than every other endurance sport.
Maybe the supershoes will change this phenomenon by reducing the fatigue from any given run. Maybe Kiptum is the first to make such 'over-distance' training work at a high level. Idk, but interested to see.
The other endurance sports are non-impact, or have inherent recovery intervals (cycling downhill), or allow easy refreshment during training (taking a drink to a bike ride).