I think its utterly silly to lump confederate flags and statues in with these other things. The confederacy lost a war where they were fighting in part to protect slavery. Unless you are Nikki Haley, everyone knows that. Lets not glorify them, lets glorify people who fought for the whole country. There are better choices. American flags? WW2 heroes? The fact that states still flew the confederate flag in the 2000s is crazy. Kind of sends a message how you feel about race relations doesn't it? Kind of makes it sound like yall yearn for the good ol' days. That's adversarial and not good for anyone.
I lived in the deep south (SC), they did not celebrate memorial day. Wasn't on the calendar at work ( it is technically a federal holiday). They called it "confederate day", which is a day you have off in either April or early may! Still a holiday in several southern states. That's all you need to know. Now you know
The typical soldier in the confederate army was not fighting for slavery and not one of these statues has anything to do with slavery.
We don't put up new statues of these things because there are better choices TODAY. Tearing them down because we don't like the choices of the past is Taliban behavior.
When your family dies in a war you don't pretend they didn't exist because the cause of the war wasn't just.
Do you tell people who's loved ones died in Iraq that they're scumbags and that their kid died for big oil?
Soldiers do not choose the causes they fight for. Governments do.
Taking down statues of traitors does not mean that they "don't exist". Imagine thinking that you can only learn history by erecting statues. Try reading a book.
The Confederate statues were NOT built for any other reason than white supremacy
The typical soldier in the confederate army was not fighting for slavery and not one of these statues has anything to do with slavery.
We don't put up new statues of these things because there are better choices TODAY. Tearing them down because we don't like the choices of the past is Taliban behavior.
When your family dies in a war you don't pretend they didn't exist because the cause of the war wasn't just.
Do you tell people who's loved ones died in Iraq that they're scumbags and that their kid died for big oil?
Soldiers do not choose the causes they fight for. Governments do.
Taking down statues of traitors does not mean that they "don't exist". Imagine thinking that you can only learn history by erecting statues. Try reading a book.
The Confederate statues were NOT built for any other reason than white supremacy
You've quite obviously never read a book on the Civil War in your life.
I think its utterly silly to lump confederate flags and statues in with these other things. The confederacy lost a war where they were fighting in part to protect slavery. Unless you are Nikki Haley, everyone knows that. Lets not glorify them, lets glorify people who fought for the whole country. There are better choices. American flags? WW2 heroes? The fact that states still flew the confederate flag in the 2000s is crazy. Kind of sends a message how you feel about race relations doesn't it? Kind of makes it sound like yall yearn for the good ol' days. That's adversarial and not good for anyone.
I lived in the deep south (SC), they did not celebrate memorial day. Wasn't on the calendar at work ( it is technically a federal holiday). They called it "confederate day", which is a day you have off in either April or early may! Still a holiday in several southern states. That's all you need to know. Now you know
The typical soldier in the confederate army was not fighting for slavery and not one of these statues has anything to do with slavery.
We don't put up new statues of these things because there are better choices TODAY. Tearing them down because we don't like the choices of the past is Taliban behavior.
When your family dies in a war you don't pretend they didn't exist because the cause of the war wasn't just.
Do you tell people who's loved ones died in Iraq that they're scumbags and that their kid died for big oil?
Soldiers do not choose the causes they fight for. Governments do.
This MF, forever lying and trying to deflect.
The confederates said exactly why they were fighting the civil war. Here is what Mississippi had to say:
In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
The typical soldier in the confederate army was not fighting for slavery and not one of these statues has anything to do with slavery.
We don't put up new statues of these things because there are better choices TODAY. Tearing them down because we don't like the choices of the past is Taliban behavior.
When your family dies in a war you don't pretend they didn't exist because the cause of the war wasn't just.
Do you tell people who's loved ones died in Iraq that they're scumbags and that their kid died for big oil?
Soldiers do not choose the causes they fight for. Governments do.
This MF, forever lying and trying to deflect.
The confederates said exactly why they were fighting the civil war. Here is what Mississippi had to say:
In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
You stupid stupid stupid stupid little man....
Actual soldiers doing the actual fighting do not fight for the politician's reasons.
For example, the typical Russian freezing his ass off in the mud in Ukraine right now doesn't give a f*ck what the politics are. He's there because he would be jailed or killed or shamed if he wasn't.
In 1861 Americans were more loyal to their states than they were to the country. When an army shows up to invade your state you would oppose it no matter what government it represented.
Robert E. Lee was offered command of the Union army. He declined. Not because he wanted to defend slavery but because he would not take up arms against his home.
The confederates said exactly why they were fighting the civil war. Here is what Mississippi had to say:
In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
You stupid stupid stupid stupid little man....
Actual soldiers doing the actual fighting do not fight for the politician's reasons.
For example, the typical Russian freezing his ass off in the mud in Ukraine right now doesn't give a f*ck what the politics are. He's there because he would be jailed or killed or shamed if he wasn't.
In 1861 Americans were more loyal to their states than they were to the country. When an army shows up to invade your state you would oppose it no matter what government it represented.
Robert E. Lee was offered command of the Union army. He declined. Not because he wanted to defend slavery but because he would not take up arms against his home.
Dumb F!
You do know the confederate soldiers were racist POS, such as yourself, who continued to kill black people, start the klan and continue with BS lies and discrimination, such as what you do daily.....before, during and after the Civil War. Same ex confederate soldiers who passed all the Jim Crow laws for the next 100 years in the South
STFU, lying as usual.
As for Robert E. Lee, his dumb a** kept charging up hill at Gettysburg. He was a terrible general. Take down all the BS statues about him. He is not someone to be memorialized. Robert e lee was a racist.
Stop trying to change history. Don't think we didn't notice how you again deflected and couldn't' deny what the confederate states said, that the civil war was a about complete racists wanting to keep black people as property forever. They got their a** kicked!
Robert E. Lee was offered command of the Union army. He declined. Not because he wanted to defend slavery but because he would not take up arms against his home.
Robert E. Lee was offered command of the Union army. He declined. Not because he wanted to defend slavery but because he would not take up arms against his home.
Except he did take up arms against his home.
He was a Virginian first. Most people in 1860 were more loyal to their state than they were to the nation.
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Actual soldiers doing the actual fighting do not fight for the politician's reasons.
For example, the typical Russian freezing his ass off in the mud in Ukraine right now doesn't give a f*ck what the politics are. He's there because he would be jailed or killed or shamed if he wasn't.
In 1861 Americans were more loyal to their states than they were to the country. When an army shows up to invade your state you would oppose it no matter what government it represented.
Robert E. Lee was offered command of the Union army. He declined. Not because he wanted to defend slavery but because he would not take up arms against his home.
Dumb F!
You do know the confederate soldiers were racist POS, such as yourself, who continued to kill black people, start the klan and continue with BS lies and discrimination, such as what you do daily.....before, during and after the Civil War. Same ex confederate soldiers who passed all the Jim Crow laws for the next 100 years in the South
STFU, lying as usual.
As for Robert E. Lee, his dumb a** kept charging up hill at Gettysburg. He was a terrible general. Take down all the BS statues about him. He is not someone to be memorialized. Robert e lee was a racist.
Stop trying to change history. Don't think we didn't notice how you again deflected and couldn't' deny what the confederate states said, that the civil war was a about complete racists wanting to keep black people as property forever. They got their a** kicked!
Losers
We have the diaries and letters of the soldiers and for every one you can find that fought for slavery you will find 10 that fought for other reasons most often because their home was invaded.
Why do you think the infinite amount of things you're completely ignorant about are "lies"?
And please spare me you ignorant opinions on Robert E. Lee. You don't have to personally like someone or agree with their cause to acknowledge their greatness at what they did.
He was always heavily outnumbered, always had inferior equipment and logistics, and still managed to win every major battle he commanded prior to Gettysburg.
Pickett's charge almost worked and it very well might have ended the war. He knew it was a risk and he thought it was worth it.
Newsflash: Pretty much EVERYONE was racist in 1860. Even Abraham Lincoln.
Slavery was an economic system. The south fought to preserve it's economy. It wasn't just about racism and only idiots think this.
"American history is no stranger to monument takedowns. In early July 1776, American patriots gathered in New York City to hear for the first time a reading of the recently-penned Declaration of Independence. Thereafter, members of the radical Sons of Liberty, overtaken with revolutionary fervor, marched on Bowling Green. There stood a 4,000 pound statue of reigning King George III. This likeness of King George had been commissioned to commemorate the repeal of the Stamp Act. In defiance of the Crown, the mob tore down the statue and stripped it of its lead gild. The Continental Army later melted down George’s patina into 42,000 musket balls in a Connecticut foundry."
Do you also remember, US troops bringing down the statue of Saddam Hussein at the Battle of Baghdad in 2002?
It's standard practice when there is a change of government or ideology in a country. It's a very poweful and clear message.
You personaly may not feel comfortable with the future of the US, but this has been growing since the 60s (so it started before that). It's not new. It started in elite universities. It has taken over 50 years to get into mainstream beliefs.
Change happens slower than you think.
It's pretty unstopable now.
Biden knows this.
It would be political suicide not to go with the flow.
"American history is no stranger to monument takedowns. In early July 1776, American patriots gathered in New York City to hear for the first time a reading of the recently-penned Declaration of Independence. Thereafter, members of the radical Sons of Liberty, overtaken with revolutionary fervor, marched on Bowling Green. There stood a 4,000 pound statue of reigning King George III. This likeness of King George had been commissioned to commemorate the repeal of the Stamp Act. In defiance of the Crown, the mob tore down the statue and stripped it of its lead gild. The Continental Army later melted down George’s patina into 42,000 musket balls in a Connecticut foundry."
Do you also remember, US troops bringing down the statue of Saddam Hussein at the Battle of Baghdad in 2002?
It's standard practice when there is a change of government or ideology in a country. It's a very poweful and clear message.
You personaly may not feel comfortable with the future of the US, but this has been growing since the 60s (so it started before that). It's not new. It started in elite universities. It has taken over 50 years to get into mainstream beliefs.
Change happens slower than you think.
It's pretty unstopable now.
Biden knows this.
It would be political suicide not to go with the flow.
George III and Saddam Hussein were tyrants and they weren't Americans. Not sure why you think that's a useful argument.
There were no American troops in Iraq in 2002 let alone Baghdad.
I don't think the 1984 style world the left is pushing for is going to be as great as you think it will be.
"There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil."
"Mr. Blair, I look upon secession as anarchy. If I owned the four millions of slaves in the South, I would sacrifice them all to the Union; but how can I draw my sword upon Virginia, my native State?"
"So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate slavery, I am rejoiced that Slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interest of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this that I would have cheerfully lost all that I have lost by the war, and have suffered all that I have suffered to have this object attained."
The left lies about everything. Robert E. Lee wasn't the caricature the woke morons say he is.
"There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil."
"Mr. Blair, I look upon secession as anarchy. If I owned the four millions of slaves in the South, I would sacrifice them all to the Union; but how can I draw my sword upon Virginia, my native State?"
"So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate slavery, I am rejoiced that Slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interest of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this that I would have cheerfully lost all that I have lost by the war, and have suffered all that I have suffered to have this object attained."
The left lies about everything. Robert E. Lee wasn't the caricature the woke morons say he is.
He decided he wanted to fight for the south. Nobody forced him.
He knew the south wanted slavery.
He knew that slavery in America was chattel slavery of black people
He decided he would fight to preserve American chattel slavery.
He took up arms against the United States of America.
You do know the confederate soldiers were racist POS, such as yourself, who continued to kill black people, start the klan and continue with BS lies and discrimination, such as what you do daily.....before, during and after the Civil War. Same ex confederate soldiers who passed all the Jim Crow laws for the next 100 years in the South
STFU, lying as usual.
As for Robert E. Lee, his dumb a** kept charging up hill at Gettysburg. He was a terrible general. Take down all the BS statues about him. He is not someone to be memorialized. Robert e lee was a racist.
Stop trying to change history. Don't think we didn't notice how you again deflected and couldn't' deny what the confederate states said, that the civil war was a about complete racists wanting to keep black people as property forever. They got their a** kicked!
Losers
We have the diaries and letters of the soldiers and for every one you can find that fought for slavery you will find 10 that fought for other reasons most often because their home was invaded.
Why do you think the infinite amount of things you're completely ignorant about are "lies"?
And please spare me you ignorant opinions on Robert E. Lee. You don't have to personally like someone or agree with their cause to acknowledge their greatness at what they did.
He was always heavily outnumbered, always had inferior equipment and logistics, and still managed to win every major battle he commanded prior to Gettysburg.
Pickett's charge almost worked and it very well might have ended the war. He knew it was a risk and he thought it was worth it.
Newsflash: Pretty much EVERYONE was racist in 1860. Even Abraham Lincoln.
Slavery was an economic system. The south fought to preserve it's economy. It wasn't just about racism and only idiots think this.
What?
Newsflash....the south started the Civil War. They seceded and fired the first shots. BS about them being invaded.
Maybe if you weren't dead set on being POS racists, fighting to keep black people as slaves, you wouldn't have had your a** kicked.
"There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil."
"Mr. Blair, I look upon secession as anarchy. If I owned the four millions of slaves in the South, I would sacrifice them all to the Union; but how can I draw my sword upon Virginia, my native State?"
"So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate slavery, I am rejoiced that Slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interest of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this that I would have cheerfully lost all that I have lost by the war, and have suffered all that I have suffered to have this object attained."
The left lies about everything. Robert E. Lee wasn't the caricature the woke morons say he is.
He decided he wanted to fight for the south. Nobody forced him.
He knew the south wanted slavery.
He knew that slavery in America was chattel slavery of black people
He decided he would fight to preserve American chattel slavery.
He took up arms against the United States of America.
Your revisionist history is BS
Yes, he did decide to fight for Virginia voluntarily.
Yes, he knew what the war was about.
Yes, he knew what chattel slavery was.
Yes he took up arms against the Union which was invading his home state.
None of this means the preservation of slavery was his motivation for fighting.
"..how can I draw my sword upon Virginia, my native State?"
None of the man's actual words corroborate your view of him. I'm not revising anything I'm listening to the man in his own words.
The funny part is you are probably more racist than he was.
What is the supposed reason for taking down Penn's statue? Did he not wear a stocking cap in the summertime to show how he would never grow up or something?
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