until Jakob breaks 3:26, 7:20 or 12:35, you know what this conversation is worth. Don't deny it.
If Komen had been a bit more serious about his career, the 2-mile world best would already be under 7:54. He'd probably have even got that 3000 under 7:20.
Prime Bekele would also have beat 7:54 if it had been an important goal for him.
Bekele? Jakob is significantly faster than Bekele at both 1500m and 2000m. If their ultimate potentials were graphed, they would intersect at about 5000m.
T&F News uses 1.08 to convert from 2-miles to 3000m. Using that ratio, Jakob’s 2-mile comes to 7:19. Jakob also broke Komen’s 2-mile WR record by 4.5 seconds.
So wearing super shoes, on modern tracks, with wave light JI is barely faster. Doesn’t sound like a super tough record….
until Jakob breaks 3:26, 7:20 or 12:35, you know what this conversation is worth. Don't deny it.
If Komen had been a bit more serious about his career, the 2-mile world best would already be under 7:54. He'd probably have even got that 3000 under 7:20.
Prime Bekele would also have beat 7:54 if it had been an important goal for him.
Bekele? Jakob is significantly faster than Bekele at both 1500m and 2000m.
Jogger, please. Bekele spent his peak years focusing entirely on 5000 and 10000. Never took 1500 seriously. But with his devastating finish, do you seriously believe he'd have done worse than Mo Farah if he'd trained and entered the big 1500m time trials?
If Jakob thought he could break 7:20, he wouldn't be running off distances instead. When he did try, he missed by 3 seconds. That's the true equivalent to 7:54. You can vote that you don't like it, but if you vote that it's not true, you're voting that you're stupid.
Bekele? Jakob is significantly faster than Bekele at both 1500m and 2000m.
Jogger, please. Bekele spent his peak years focusing entirely on 5000 and 10000. Never took 1500 seriously. But with his devastating finish, do you seriously believe he'd have done worse than Mo Farah if he'd trained and entered the big 1500m time trials?
If Jakob thought he could break 7:20, he wouldn't be running off distances instead. When he did try, he missed by 3 seconds. That's the true equivalent to 7:54. You can vote that you don't like it, but if you vote that it's not true, you're voting that you're stupid.
Bekele? Jakob is significantly faster than Bekele at both 1500m and 2000m.
Jogger, please. Bekele spent his peak years focusing entirely on 5000 and 10000. Never took 1500 seriously. But with his devastating finish, do you seriously believe he'd have done worse than Mo Farah if he'd trained and entered the big 1500m time trials?
If Jakob thought he could break 7:20, he wouldn't be running off distances instead. When he did try, he missed by 3 seconds. That's the true equivalent to 7:54. You can vote that you don't like it, but if you vote that it's not true, you're voting that you're stupid.
I’m stupid if I don’t agree that 7:23 is equivalent to 7:54? Komen undoubtedly took his 2-mile efforts seriously, so by your logic, 7:20 equals 7:58. 3000m is also an off distance.
Why do you believe there is no correlation between the 2 similar distances. In his WR, Jakob’s 3000m split was 7:24, but you believe being having 1 second in the tank allowed him to run another 218 meters at 57 400m pace.
You seem to dislike Jakob and will make up an analysis to discount his WR.
Jogger, please. Bekele spent his peak years focusing entirely on 5000 and 10000. Never took 1500 seriously. But with his devastating finish, do you seriously believe he'd have done worse than Mo Farah if he'd trained and entered the big 1500m time trials?
If Jakob thought he could break 7:20, he wouldn't be running off distances instead. When he did try, he missed by 3 seconds. That's the true equivalent to 7:54. You can vote that you don't like it, but if you vote that it's not true, you're voting that you're stupid.
Did Farah take 1500 seriously?
He proved that 5/10 training for a strength runner, is equally effective for 1500m.
Maybe not 26 years, but I see it standing for a while. It's a rarely contested event and took a generational talent with a really good season to beat it. I say a decade or so (assuming Jakob himself doesn't break it).
+1
I was ready to say: For a while if Jakob not decides to go after it again (he could break it again next year provided he is coming back from his current injury without problems).
No other current runner has a 3000m PB which coverted is close to Jakob´s 2 mile WB.
Previous record stood for 26 years, could the same happen again?
I think Jakob himself could've run 2 seconds faster with more aggressive / even pacing given how strong his finish was. Katir, Kejelcha and Girma could run 7:56 with a similarly good setup imo, but not sure about any other contenders
I don´t think any of them could run 7:56.
Kejelchas recent PB in the 3000m 7:23.64 converts to 7:58.22 in the 2 miles when extrapolating from IAAF´s ranking points. So he isn´t close to 7:56.
If we take Girma´s and Katir´s indoor 3000m PBs and count them as OUTDOOR times they are further back. Girma´s and Katir´s INDOOR times give very high ranking points but I don´t think these points can be used to convertion to an OUTDOOR 2 miles since the INDOOR points seem not to be realistic compared to OUTDOOR times.
Both Girma and Katir have run significantly slower in the OUTDOOR 3000m than in the INDOOR 3000m.
Maybe not 26 years, but I see it standing for a while. It's a rarely contested event and took a generational talent with a really good season to beat it. I say a decade or so (assuming Jakob himself doesn't break it).
+1
I was ready to say: For a while if Jakob not decides to go after it again (he could break it again next year provided he is coming back from his current injury without problems).
No other current runner has a 3000m PB which coverted is close to Jakob´s 2 mile WB.
Unless he takes 1-2 seconds off his 1500m time, he’s not going to run any faster for 2 miles next year. 7:54 is an outstanding effort.
Jogger, please. Bekele spent his peak years focusing entirely on 5000 and 10000. Never took 1500 seriously. But with his devastating finish, do you seriously believe he'd have done worse than Mo Farah if he'd trained and entered the big 1500m time trials?
If Jakob thought he could break 7:20, he wouldn't be running off distances instead. When he did try, he missed by 3 seconds. That's the true equivalent to 7:54. You can vote that you don't like it, but if you vote that it's not true, you're voting that you're stupid.
I’m stupid if I don’t agree that 7:23 is equivalent to 7:54? Komen undoubtedly took his 2-mile efforts seriously, so by your logic, 7:20 equals 7:58. 3000m is also an off distance.
Why do you believe there is no correlation between the 2 similar distances. In his WR, Jakob’s 3000m split was 7:24, but you believe being having 1 second in the tank allowed him to run another 218 meters at 57 400m pace.
You seem to dislike Jakob and will make up an analysis to discount his WR.
wavelight, wavelight, wavelight!!!!.
All the greats before including were in effect "running blind"
Imagine if Komen or El Gherouj (the 2 fastest 3k guys) on those lights, the record would be 7.52/3.
I think Kejelcha with his 7.23, Aregawi on a Good day and Kiplimo if he ever approaches track again with seriousness can run break this record.
with my money being on Kiplimo as the most probable
I’m stupid if I don’t agree that 7:23 is equivalent to 7:54? Komen undoubtedly took his 2-mile efforts seriously, so by your logic, 7:20 equals 7:58. 3000m is also an off distance.
Why do you believe there is no correlation between the 2 similar distances. In his WR, Jakob’s 3000m split was 7:24, but you believe being having 1 second in the tank allowed him to run another 218 meters at 57 400m pace.
You seem to dislike Jakob and will make up an analysis to discount his WR.
wavelight, wavelight, wavelight!!!!.
All the greats before including were in effect "running blind"
Imagine if Komen or El Gherouj (the 2 fastest 3k guys) on those lights, the record would be 7.52/3.
I think Kejelcha with his 7.23, Aregawi on a Good day and Kiplimo if he ever approaches track again with seriousness can run break this record.
with my money being on Kiplimo as the most probable
You can’t draft off of wavelights. If El Guerrouj could have run 7:52, he would have been capable of 3:24.
Previous record stood for 26 years, could the same happen again?
I think Jakob will break the 3K record and go sub-7:20. Then that will become the mark to watch. 7:54 should be safe for a while because it's not going to be run unless an athlete randomly wants to break it.
It seems Jakob has a slight gap to the other excellent guys at 3K (Girma, Kejelcha, Katir) who might've hit near their maximal times already in the 7:23-4 range. I don't see those guys breaking a 7:54/3K equivalent. If that's the case, we are looking at Nuguse, who has a very high ceiling with a 3:43 mile of course. And then the two youngsters in Reynold Cheruiyot (4:48 2K/13:04) and Niels Laros who could perhaps take another big leap (or two).
Nuguse is most likely, but if he's locked in on the 1500 it might be until 2026 when he would start considering chasing records in the 3000.
Kejelchas recent PB in the 3000m 7:23.64 converts to 7:58.22 in the 2 miles when extrapolating from IAAF´s ranking points. So he isn´t close to 7:56.
If we take Girma´s and Katir´s indoor 3000m PBs and count them as OUTDOOR times they are further back. Girma´s and Katir´s INDOOR times give very high ranking points but I don´t think these points can be used to convertion to an OUTDOOR 2 miles since the INDOOR points seem not to be realistic compared to OUTDOOR times.
Both Girma and Katir have run significantly slower in the OUTDOOR 3000m than in the INDOOR 3000m.
Kejelcha and Jakob could've both run faster than 7:23 that day with much better pacing and you know that, come on now. Same goes for Girma and Katir.
Jogger, please. Bekele spent his peak years focusing entirely on 5000 and 10000. Never took 1500 seriously. But with his devastating finish, do you seriously believe he'd have done worse than Mo Farah if he'd trained and entered the big 1500m time trials?
If Jakob thought he could break 7:20, he wouldn't be running off distances instead. When he did try, he missed by 3 seconds. That's the true equivalent to 7:54. You can vote that you don't like it, but if you vote that it's not true, you're voting that you're stupid.
Your first half of the post is true. But leaving out the fact that Jakob had run 3:43 the day before 7;23 is just intellectually dishonest.
Maybe not 26 years, but I see it standing for a while. It's a rarely contested event and took a generational talent with a really good season to beat it. I say a decade or so (assuming Jakob himself doesn't break it).
+1
I was ready to say: For a while if Jakob not decides to go after it again (he could break it again next year provided he is coming back from his current injury without problems).
No other current runner has a 3000m PB which coverted is close to Jakob´s 2 mile WB.
Jacob doesn’t have a 3k that converts to a 7:54 2mile either…
I will not pretend to know if any of the 7:25 type guys will take a big step forward and become 7:20 guys or if they are peaked. Stuff like that is impossible to predict. Cheptegi hasn’t exactly been in 12:35/26:11 shape a lot it he was on 2 days.