Just for full accuracy, Kerr's splits were 54.85 with a 26.98 last lap within a race that converts to 8:09.74.
Grijalva's outdoors 7:29.43 is worth an 8:05 2 Mile using the standard 1.08 conversion. The Indoor World Record of 8:03 is worth a 7:27.6 3K roughly. It's not outrageous to think Kerr could get to sub-8, but it would require a big jump from what we've seen from him. That being said he's a man who sets big goals. I think the indoor World Record is a plenty lofty goal unless he has become an athlete equally adept at the 3K/2Mile as the mile a la Jakob or Katir.
Just for full accuracy - he ran 7:33 when he was in a heavy training phase. His fitness at the World Championships was MUCH better and he had even lost weight. He easily could have run a 7:27 outdoors, if not faster.
It is always sort of up in the air how seriously people are about running fast indoors especially in an Olympic year. And with like 10 weeks til the event, plenty of time for injuries and illness to mess stuff up.
He might scare Farah’s record but I don’t see him going under 8:00. The guys who have done that or come close (including 3k equivalent) have much better credentials than Kerr.
I’m more interested in seeing him race World Indoors.
Yes WFT is right. Even with the finely timed indoor tracks and the super spikes, 8:09 would be about the best he can do.
“WFT is right” must have something to do with fungible tokens, right?
What are you guys talking about? Hasn’t it already been pointed out that Kerr closed in 26.98/54.85 in a 7:33 3k at Millrose last year? It seems like a given that he could have run 8:07y that day, and perhaps significantly faster.
Part of your disbelief is a disrespect or misunderstanding of Kerr (i.e. not understanding that he has ample strength for 3k/2 mile, his second best events), part is a misunderstanding of 2-mile times. The distance isn’t contested (let alone time-trialed) by the world’s best very often, but there are plenty of guys every year who could smash 8:10.
<8:03.4 indoor WR seems like a perfect target for Kerr.
JWH when you are wrong you are really wrong. The ONLY factor on your side is the super spikes and super tuned tracks. Mo Farah was a 3:28, 12:53 runner. Josh Kerr is a 3:29, 13:23 runner (let’s give him 13:05 to be generous). Kerr is not in the same league. Does this mean he cannot run 8:03? The answer is he cannot.
So he's got to be over 3s quicker than his 7:33 this year and do an extra 218m, and that's ignoring his comments about going sub8 too.
As a Brit I'd love to see him do it [British Record], but I don't see it happening when you put him up against the other names there + his somewhat inconsistencies in races. Yes he has turned up for the World Champs Gold and Olympic Bronze but there's also been a number of bad races between them. This feels like another case of ego where "if Jakob can do X and I beat him, I should at least be able to get close". As for the sub 8 - that's laughable, but hey, happy to be proven wrong here
As a Brit you clearly don't follow Kerr's results closely enough. He ran 7:33 last year
At least I follow him closely enough to know what year he ran the race in
Jakob will break this record in the future anyways so it does not matter
Why am I being downvoted?? 1. Jakob said he wants to attempt every world record from the 1500 to the marathon 2. He has already run 7:54 outdoors so 8:03 would be a cakewalk. 3. He is miles ahead of Kerr in the 3k/5k. Either way it’s his record in the future.
JWH when you are wrong you are really wrong. The ONLY factor on your side is the super spikes and super tuned tracks. Mo Farah was a 3:28, 12:53 runner. Josh Kerr is a 3:29, 13:23 runner (let’s give him 13:05 to be generous). Kerr is not in the same league. Does this mean he cannot run 8:03? The answer is he cannot.
7:27/8:03 is now a time run pretty regularly. You dont have to be Mo Farah to do it. If Kerr is in 3:29/13:00 shape he could do it. Farah’s PRs are in line with Katirs and Katir has run 7:24.
JWH when you are wrong you are really wrong. The ONLY factor on your side is the super spikes and super tuned tracks. Mo Farah was a 3:28, 12:53 runner. Josh Kerr is a 3:29, 13:23 runner (let’s give him 13:05 to be generous). Kerr is not in the same league. Does this mean he cannot run 8:03? The answer is he cannot.
7:27/8:03 is now a time run pretty regularly. You dont have to be Mo Farah to do it. If Kerr is in 3:29/13:00 shape he could do it. Farah’s PRs are in line with Katirs and Katir has run 7:24.
Well Katir has also run 12:45.01, so that is quite a bit better than Mo ran, which is a little bit different than saying what Mo might have been able to run. At any rate, JWH got arrogant and I didn’t appreciate it. It is not like any of us know for sure, you, he and anyone else. So it is all educated speculation, and Kerr had not shown 13:00 ability yet.
Yes WFT is right. Even with the finely timed indoor tracks and the super spikes, 8:09 would be about the best he can do.
“WFT is right” must have something to do with fungible tokens, right?
What are you guys talking about? Hasn’t it already been pointed out that Kerr closed in 26.98/54.85 in a 7:33 3k at Millrose last year? It seems like a given that he could have run 8:07y that day, and perhaps significantly faster.
Part of your disbelief is a disrespect or misunderstanding of Kerr (i.e. not understanding that he has ample strength for 3k/2 mile, his second best events), part is a misunderstanding of 2-mile times. The distance isn’t contested (let alone time-trialed) by the world’s best very often, but there are plenty of guys every year who could smash 8:10.
<8:03.4 indoor WR seems like a perfect target for Kerr.
I suppose that’s why they run the race, isn’t it?
And you’re correct: I greatly disrespect Kerr. After tanking his 1600 leg at ncaa indoors in the qualifying round of the dmr so that he would have more for the open mile, I’ll never cheer for him again. That was a chance for those 3 other guys on that that they’d never see again. It was even made worse when he feigned being sick or whatever. Josh Kerr is all about Josh Kerr.
Well Katir has also run 12:45.01, so that is quite a bit better than Mo ran, which is a little bit different than saying what Mo might have been able to run. At any rate, JWH got arrogant and I didn’t appreciate it. It is not like any of us know for sure, you, he and anyone else. So it is all educated speculation, and Kerr had not shown 13:00 ability yet.
Fair we’ll never know because Mo’s era in the 3K-5K was characterized by dodging and running slow. Much prefer the current era tbh!
JWH when you are wrong you are really wrong. The ONLY factor on your side is the super spikes and super tuned tracks. Mo Farah was a 3:28, 12:53 runner. Josh Kerr is a 3:29, 13:23 runner (let’s give him 13:05 to be generous). Kerr is not in the same league. Does this mean he cannot run 8:03? The answer is he cannot.
7:27/8:03 is now a time run pretty regularly. You dont have to be Mo Farah to do it. If Kerr is in 3:29/13:00 shape he could do it. Farah’s PRs are in line with Katirs and Katir has run 7:24.
Kerr has much better credentials than Girma did heading into last year when he ran 7:23
7:27/8:03 is now a time run pretty regularly. You dont have to be Mo Farah to do it. If Kerr is in 3:29/13:00 shape he could do it. Farah’s PRs are in line with Katirs and Katir has run 7:24.
Well Katir has also run 12:45.01, so that is quite a bit better than Mo ran, which is a little bit different than saying what Mo might have been able to run. At any rate, JWH got arrogant and I didn’t appreciate it. It is not like any of us know for sure, you, he and anyone else. So it is all educated speculation, and Kerr had not shown 13:00 ability yet.
Fisher ran 7:25 two and a half months ago and ran 12:46 last year.
Fisher is the guy who can break the indoor 2 mile world record. He would bury Kerr at that distance.
Well Katir has also run 12:45.01, so that is quite a bit better than Mo ran, which is a little bit different than saying what Mo might have been able to run. At any rate, JWH got arrogant and I didn’t appreciate it. It is not like any of us know for sure, you, he and anyone else. So it is all educated speculation, and Kerr had not shown 13:00 ability yet.
Fair we’ll never know because Mo’s era in the 3K-5K was characterized by dodging and running slow. Much prefer the current era tbh!
Yes it was still exciting in the global champs but one wonders whether they thought then that the records were mostly out of reach and then some combo of new pharmaceuticals or the shoes or something has triggered newfound confidence in tackling some of them. It is a great era and I do often root for the underdog, so I was thrilled with Kerr beating Jakob. If Kerr can run faster than Tegenkamp, who ran 8:07, I would be impressed and slightly surprised.
“WFT is right” must have something to do with fungible tokens, right?
What are you guys talking about? Hasn’t it already been pointed out that Kerr closed in 26.98/54.85 in a 7:33 3k at Millrose last year? It seems like a given that he could have run 8:07y that day, and perhaps significantly faster.
Part of your disbelief is a disrespect or misunderstanding of Kerr (i.e. not understanding that he has ample strength for 3k/2 mile, his second best events), part is a misunderstanding of 2-mile times. The distance isn’t contested (let alone time-trialed) by the world’s best very often, but there are plenty of guys every year who could smash 8:10.
<8:03.4 indoor WR seems like a perfect target for Kerr.
I suppose that’s why they run the race, isn’t it?
And you’re correct: I greatly disrespect Kerr. After tanking his 1600 leg at ncaa indoors in the qualifying round of the dmr so that he would have more for the open mile, I’ll never cheer for him again. That was a chance for those 3 other guys on that that they’d never see again. It was even made worse when he feigned being sick or whatever. Josh Kerr is all about Josh Kerr.
You are confused. There is no qualifying round it is one final. His teammates did get to race in said final. They only made it because Kerr ran a fast time so they would even qualify for the meet.
He got the baton behind Nuguse and Grant Fisher, 15 meters behind VT.
It looked like he was struggling after about 2 or 3 laps, he's visibly grimacing and in pain. Maybe once he realized he was toast, he started to jog to save energy, but to imply that was his intention all along is incorrect.
Well Katir has also run 12:45.01, so that is quite a bit better than Mo ran, which is a little bit different than saying what Mo might have been able to run. At any rate, JWH got arrogant and I didn’t appreciate it. It is not like any of us know for sure, you, he and anyone else. So it is all educated speculation, and Kerr had not shown 13:00 ability yet.
Fisher ran 7:25 two and a half months ago and ran 12:46 last year.
Fisher is the guy who can break the indoor 2 mile world record. He would bury Kerr at that distance.
“WFT is right” must have something to do with fungible tokens, right?
What are you guys talking about? Hasn’t it already been pointed out that Kerr closed in 26.98/54.85 in a 7:33 3k at Millrose last year? It seems like a given that he could have run 8:07y that day, and perhaps significantly faster.
Part of your disbelief is a disrespect or misunderstanding of Kerr (i.e. not understanding that he has ample strength for 3k/2 mile, his second best events), part is a misunderstanding of 2-mile times. The distance isn’t contested (let alone time-trialed) by the world’s best very often, but there are plenty of guys every year who could smash 8:10.
<8:03.4 indoor WR seems like a perfect target for Kerr.
JWH when you are wrong you are really wrong. The ONLY factor on your side is the super spikes and super tuned tracks. Mo Farah was a 3:28, 12:53 runner. Josh Kerr is a 3:29, 13:23 runner (let’s give him 13:05 to be generous). Kerr is not in the same league. Does this mean he cannot run 8:03? The answer is he cannot.
In 2022, Wightman trained for the 3k because he needed to improve his fitness to beat Jakob. He won WCs that summer. Kerr saw that, and focused on improving his fitness too; A half marathon in 63, a huge Millrose 3k win, and a 3:48 mile were a pretty good indoor season imo, and then he won WCs.
I think Kerr knows he only beat Jakob because he was sick, and after seeing Jakob win a 3:43/7:23 double from the front, Kerr realized he needed to be in sub-8 shape if he wanted Olympic Gold. I think it's hardly a stretch to think Kerr can make that jump, particularly because the only person to beat Jakob (7:54 WR holder btw) this year was Kerr.
Do we know what Nuguse is doing yet? I wanted him to break the mile WR at Millrose this year, but if Kerr is chasing sub-8, Nuguse could set a record that lasts a long time. When's the next time an American is gonna be in sub-8 shape indoors? But, an American holding the mile WR was probably the first thing I wanted to see when I got into the sport, and I have a feeling it's not gonna be at 3:47.01 for much longer. Plus, the mile and 2 mile WRs going down just a few minutes from each other would be sick.
And you’re correct: I greatly disrespect Kerr. After tanking his 1600 leg at ncaa indoors in the qualifying round of the dmr so that he would have more for the open mile, I’ll never cheer for him again. That was a chance for those 3 other guys on that that they’d never see again. It was even made worse when he feigned being sick or whatever. Josh Kerr is all about Josh Kerr.
You are confused. There is no qualifying round it is one final. His teammates did get to race in said final. They only made it because Kerr ran a fast time so they would even qualify for the meet.
He got the baton behind Nuguse and Grant Fisher, 15 meters behind VT.
It looked like he was struggling after about 2 or 3 laps, he's visibly grimacing and in pain. Maybe once he realized he was toast, he started to jog to save energy, but to imply that was his intention all along is incorrect.
He received the baton 0.49 behind Notre Dame and 0.34 behind Stanford. Not out of contention by any stretch of the imagination- not at all. He would have needed a 3:56.6 to podium. He tanked it. It might not have been his original plan, but that’s what he did. To argue otherwise is ridiculous. Yet he miraculously recovers to come back to win the open mile the next day…sure. He gave up and threw his team’s hard work to podium away. As stated, Kerr is all about Kerr- a selfish jerk. Zero respect.
7:27/8:03 is now a time run pretty regularly. You dont have to be Mo Farah to do it. If Kerr is in 3:29/13:00 shape he could do it. Farah’s PRs are in line with Katirs and Katir has run 7:24.
Well Katir has also run 12:45.01, so that is quite a bit better than Mo ran, which is a little bit different than saying what Mo might have been able to run. At any rate, JWH got arrogant and I didn’t appreciate it. It is not like any of us know for sure, you, he and anyone else. So it is all educated speculation, and Kerr had not shown 13:00 ability yet.
Yes, I got arrogant and you put me in my place by comparing Kerr to a single data point…
It doesn’t necessarily matter whether Kerr can run 62.4s for 12.5 laps (13:00)—there is no universal algorithm for determining the time for distance B (2 mile) based on times for distance A (1500) and C (5k). It could be that Kerr is super elite up to 2 miles and then falls off rather precipitously. Maybe he can run 55.8 for 4.03 laps, 60.0 for 8.05 laps, 63.0 for 12.5 laps (13:07.5)…doesn’t seem unreasonable.
Kerr running a similar 2-mile time to Craig Mottram makes perfect sense to me. I’ll try to remember this thread when Kerr runs under 7:29/3k or under 8:05/2-mile…whether that’s at Millrose this year or another time in the not too distant future.
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Kerr has much better credentials than Girma did heading into last year when he ran 7:23
Girma had run 7:27.98 and gotten silver in World Indoors at 3K and a 7:59 steeple so I’d disagree actually.
It’s like everyone here is forgetting that Kerr is the Olympic bronze medalist and reigning world champion at 1500 and ran 3:29 in both finals…those are significantly better credentials than Girma had a year ago.