NOBODY has been saying that for seven years. Seriously, like when Tuohy was a sophomore? Not too many people even knew much about her. And she was WINNING then. I agree about the 10-12 year rule. Tuohy has been doing nothing but running since around age 10. Spring, summer, fall, winter, run, run, run! The coach had to practically pry the lacrosse stick out of Valby's hands. Maybe this is a good example for parents out there with a talented kid. Take it easy and encourage them to take some time off and play another sport. Soccer or basketball would be perfect. Lacrosse is good, too. Or swimming. Something other than running year-round. Keeps them in shape without the constant pounding. Reduces the stress on the kid to perform, too.
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2023 NCAA Cross Country Results and Tracking
November 17, 2023
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Friday 15: Katelyn Tuohy in the Shape of Her Life, Kelsey Chmiel Out
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Tuohy cried, this is the last time you'll see her lose to Valby.
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I heard NCSU athlete say KT was sick.
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She was winning al of last year until late spring.
That video of her breaking the 5000m indoor record as a sophomore had something like 6 million views on YT. People in the sport absolutely knew about her and that is when the pressure began. And she still won. Then she had surgery and won again.
But to draw conclusions from one race a year after she won the XC title, and months after she set four ncaa records, is just plain silly. Yes Tuohy is a rarity of someone who was elite in high school then into college.
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The Specials wrote:
Let's see. She seems to have plateaued, and a lot of girls have drawn even and are surpassing her at this point. She is lacking her former dominance and when defeated, is well defeated.
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One woman has drawn even and surpassed her.
She clearly had an off day today; with the exception of Valby, the other runners have not surpassed her.1410 -
100% wrote:
It looked like when LSU QB Joe Burrow lost the national championship and broke down crying, he wasn't the same after it. He became awholenother beast. Athletes like them are different.
Burrow won the championship game convincingly and then smoked a cigar after.
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Agreed. They are both talented athletes, tough competitors, heroic champions. One had a great day today; the other was not feeling 100% but gave her all — and led her team to a shorthanded National championship. What more did you want? XC is a team sport, and her courage and grit won the day. Why does that make some folks unhappy; jealousy? Let’s see YOUR trophy cases! Hats off to them both, to their coaches, to their teammates, and to the other competitors. what a great day of running.
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astro wrote:
She was sick. So she did not throw up at the press conference, ergo she was not sick and despite some excellent performances this season she was suddenly 11th and finished well behind runners she has dominated? LOL. Did not realize you can detect a fever in an interview. There are photos of her celebrating very happily with her team, but she had to go to the medical tent during the team interview. She has been gritty her whole career. Late last year was physical. Even after she ran 15:03 she said her training was horrible. But Tuohy still beat Valby at regionals in the 5000 last year after running the 1500m.
She has been under the microscope for seven years. I think she handles the pressure fine. This race was illness, not pressure, and she showed tremendous grit.
Wow...you are saying Tuohy is the better runner because she beat Valby last year at a regional race? Who won the track 5k? Who beat who at Nuttycombe, and what happened today? Seriously, you are bending over backwards to diss Valby and come up with excuses for Tuohy streak of losses.
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Yes. Crazy enough I believe that the 15:03 runner would beat the 15:20 lifetime PR runner that she was able to beat doubling off the 1500 two weeks earlier if she had played it safe and just focused on the 5000m. Radical, I know.
Everything that happened this season was a consequence of how the last season ended. Valby was better at Nuttycombe, but I also think she was just better prepared whereas Tuohy deliberately started training later, was supposed to debut this season at ACC or Regional, but she talked her coach into letting her run. It was not a stretch that she was not near peaking ye. I thought she looked terrific the last two races and that she had tapered perfectly. I predicted Tuohy would win but in a close race. But bad luck. That is not a diss. I just do not believe that Valby had some magical epiphany. She is better than last year, but not as much as people think. But it was enough.
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astro wrote:
Yes. Crazy enough I believe that the 15:03 runner would beat the 15:20 lifetime PR runner that she was able to beat doubling off the 1500 two weeks earlier if she had played it safe and just focused on the 5000m. Radical, I know.
Everything that happened this season was a consequence of how the last season ended. Valby was better at Nuttycombe, but I also think she was just better prepared whereas Tuohy deliberately started training later, was supposed to debut this season at ACC or Regional, but she talked her coach into letting her run. It was not a stretch that she was not near peaking ye. I thought she looked terrific the last two races and that she had tapered perfectly. I predicted Tuohy would win but in a close race. But bad luck. That is not a diss. I just do not believe that Valby had some magical epiphany. She is better than last year, but not as much as people think. But it was enough.
Tuohy is not in 15:03 shape right now, and Valby ran 18:55....you are crazy.
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You misread. The comment was about Outdoor last season.
Also she beat Orton's record at ACC. Orton went on to run 15:08 at BU that December. H'm.
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100% wrote:
It looked like when LSU QB Joe Burrow lost the national championship and broke down crying, he wasn't the same after it. He became awholenother beast. Athletes like them are different.
Looked like she was crying cause her team won and she was blaming herself for a loss. Emotional tears of relief.
Very gutsy run. Threw up, went from 11th or 12th to 5th.711 -
astro wrote:
Yes. Crazy enough I believe that the 15:03 runner would beat the 15:20 lifetime PR runner that she was able to beat doubling off the 1500 two weeks earlier if she had played it safe and just focused on the 5000m. Radical, I know.
Everything that happened this season was a consequence of how the last season ended. Valby was better at Nuttycombe, but I also think she was just better prepared whereas Tuohy deliberately started training later, was supposed to debut this season at ACC or Regional, but she talked her coach into letting her run. It was not a stretch that she was not near peaking ye. I thought she looked terrific the last two races and that she had tapered perfectly. I predicted Tuohy would win but in a close race. But bad luck. That is not a diss. I just do not believe that Valby had some magical epiphany. She is better than last year, but not as much as people think. But it was enough.
I've seen this explained to you many times but for some reason you still don't understand it. NOBODY cares about winning the East Region in track for NCAAs. It is literally just a semi-final to qualify for the actual final, which Valby WON. It seems like you have never participated in competitive running in your life.
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Reading. It's fundamental. I am not going to repeat my point.
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astro wrote:
Reading. It's fundamental. I am not going to repeat my point.
You said: "But Tuohy still beat Valby at regionals in the 5000 last year after running the 1500m"
This is completely irrelevant because nobody cares about winning regionals. It's a qualifier.
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I expect Parker will be breaking 15 in the 5k at BU in a few weeks. I’m not sure Katelyn will be running any more collegiate races after today.
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The ncaa just caught on with Tuohy. We all knew it was going to happen. Worst thing for her is to stay in NCAA and keep losing to collegians. She needs to go pro and enjoy being the underdog for awhile.
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Fieldgotbetter wrote:
The ncaa just caught on with Tuohy. We all knew it was going to happen. Worst thing for her is to stay in NCAA and keep losing to collegians. She needs to go pro and enjoy being the underdog for awhile.
She’s the underdog in the ncaas, Maia ramsden smoked her, Parker smoked her, she isn’t some unstoppable force. Putting her against pros would be a blood bath
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TMADDDHASFNE wrote:
I expect Parker will be breaking 15 in the 5k at BU in a few weeks. I’m not sure Katelyn will be running any more collegiate races after today.
Would not shock me either.
I would not be surprised to see Tuohy race BU as well, even unattached. If we don't see her there, then maybe BU Hemery or Millrose.
She does need to try for the Olympic standard at some point.
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