Riva is a very talented runner and running clean. He placed 5th in last EC 10000m . Adviced by me couple years ago to his first half , a win in 1:04 .....( with his personal coach then permission) .Big congrats to his first sub 60!👏 🇸🇪🧙♂️🇸🇪
Two random Europeans just broke 60 at Valencia Half
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If Barata is doping, he's going to be caught very soon. The cops in Portugal caught a whole cycling team using surveillance, wiretaps, the whole thing, something that doesn't happen anywhere else.
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One of the dumber posts I’ve seen. Two European athletes ran decent PRs on a notoriously fast course? Good for them
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RunsAllWeek wrote:
Unless someone can show me that there's some kind of activity that runners can do on a regular basis that can lead to improved performance then I agree with the OP, they're cheating.
Call Derek from marathon investigation! They must of rode a bike somewhere or cut the course to get that time!
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looking the wrong way wrote:
Thoughts on this race.
Mayo probably underperformed. As a 27:25 10 guy he should likely be more than just a couple seconds ahead of Riva and Barata.
Also Felix Bour was in the race. One of the few guys that runs everything from 5000 (13:15 here) to marathon during the same year. Did get a nice PR here.
Kejelcha, Barega, Gebrihwet were all in this race just getting edged out by Kandie. They went fast and I have to wonder how fast would Fisher run this. Gotta think he would be right there around 57:40.
Mayo is currently training for his marathon debut also in Valencia. This wasnt his "main objetive". He is going for the olympic standard although I think he could break the Spanish record (2'06'25)
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GreatDane wrote:
RunsAllWeek wrote:
Unless someone can show me that there's some kind of activity that runners can do on a regular basis that can lead to improved performance then I agree with the OP, they're cheating.
Yes I wonder what that could be lol..
It's called training hard. Something US runners avoid regularly.
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RunsAllWeek wrote:
Unless someone can show me that there's some kind of activity that runners can do on a regular basis that can lead to improved performance then I agree with the OP, they're cheating.
I hear running fast in training helps
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Adri wrote:
most obvious off season doping ever? wrote:
Carlos Mayo 59:39 might make sense since he had some results in the past including a 60:06 half to back it up
The other two ones though???
30 years old Portuguese Samuel Barata 59:40 entered this race with an unspectacular 61:29 PB from the World Champs three weeks ago, then went out in his 10k PB pace and managed to hold it for another 11,1k
Similar story for Italian Pietro Riva 59:41, who at least entered the race with a 60:30 PB, but also only managed a 61:06 in Riga
Barata and Riva are not "random" European runners, there are among the best Europeans on 10k/half-marathon those last years.
- In 2022, Riva was 5th on 10,000m at the European Championships and was very close to get a medal here. He also ran 27:50 on the road. On half-marathon, he did 60:30 in Valencia that year, which was also the 5th best performance by an European in 2022.
- Barata is a bit more surprising but not that much. In June 2023, he won a 10,000m in Leiden in very warm conditions in 28:38. I was then thinking that this runner could be under 28 at that time with better conditions and he just ran 27:45 in September on the road. At the beginning of 2023, he was almost at the same level as Schrub during a cross-country in Portugal (only 8 sec behind over 8.5 km). This guy doesn't come from nowhere. I wouldn't have bet on a sub-60 for him, but a sub-61 isn't surprising.
Also, it's silly to compare the times of Riva and Barata with their performance in Riga, as it was a Championship race in Latvia, where you run for the places and not for a fast time.
Your first sentence says it all- so many young, ignorant fools on this message board think that because THEY haven't heard about someone that he is a nobody who came out of nowhere.
I DO wish that letsrun would have more road race results and follow the top runners.
There used to be a very active road race service that Running Times magazine covered. That seems to be, for the most part, missing here.
I love the European road race scene and I remember back in the 70's and 80's a very active Latin American circuit.
Road racing, other than the Marathon and half marathon, is a big part of our sport.
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COACH WIZARD 1 wrote:
Riva is a very talented runner and running clean. He placed 5th in last EC 10000m . Adviced by me couple years ago to his first half , a win in 1:04 .....( with his personal coach then permission) .Big congrats to his first sub 60!👏 🇸🇪🧙♂️🇸🇪
Don't insult his coaches with your lies, moron. You didn't, "advice him to his first half". You gave him your advice but all merit goes to Pietro and his then coach Alessandro Perrone.
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This is the "official" 2023 valencia half-marathon replay from the TV broadcaster instead of that russian one or the odd one on the marathon webpage that starts like halfway in.
Very good coverage but not in english, it has subtitles and if you know what you are doing you can convert them to english.
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Wasn't the all-time genetically-European sub-hour list stalled at Hall, Rupp, and Moen for a long time. Who's on it besides those 3 and these 3?
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Double standards hypocrisy wrote:
Aha !!! I was waiting to see allegations of dopping from you and @Coevett and the other usual suspects directed on the three Europeans . I guess because it is three Europeans you won't make the same allegations you usually make when it is some random kenyans/Africans performing well .Not surprising to say the least.
I think you are thinking of someone else. I'd carefully consider full context and also let's not act like sub-60 is some incredible time anymore. sigh1 did a good job relaying the context of these guys.
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Valencia always fast! wrote:
Wasn't the all-time genetically-European sub-hour list stalled at Hall, Rupp, and Moen for a long time. Who's on it besides those 3 and these 3?
Um. Wanders
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Um. Also Gressier
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+Robinson and Rancero
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