I am curious if supporters of this would still be okay with biological males in the girls race if an entire varsity top-five was made up of trans-girls? Would winning the state title with five biological males be okay? Where is the cut-off?
It just seems weird that it is okay for some amount of podium spots to be taken by trans-girls but a whole team would obviously not be okay. Where's the limit?
It will be "OK" until women themselves say enough is enough and no more people born with XY chromosomes are allowed in our sporting events.
I am curious if supporters of this would still be okay with biological males in the girls race if an entire varsity top-five was made up of trans-girls? Would winning the state title with five biological males be okay? Where is the cut-off?
It just seems weird that it is okay for some amount of podium spots to be taken by trans-girls but a whole team would obviously not be okay. Where's the limit?
Who are you arguing with? It’s okay for some amount of podium spots to be taken by “trans-girls.” It would be equally okay for a whole team of “trans-girls” to race.
It's not a slippery slope. It's the pit at the bottom of the slope that people warned you about. A team of 7 girls has just learned that no matter how hard they work, the goal they trained for will be yanked away by someone with XY chromosomes. The same old sexist crap that's been going on for centuries, just with a strange new set of cheerleaders.
So the goal they were training for was to win this September invitational? I don’t know if you’ve ever been on a cross country team, have coached, or have ever run before, but your self-worth and view of success in this sport should not be tied to one single race.
If your philosophy on sports is “if I can’t win, why do I even bother?” Then I think you aren’t going to be playing sports for long regardless of whether or not your competition has a Y chromosome.
To the person who said to just « shut down the programs » because of the madness:
It’s easy for you to say but high school runners only get 4 years + college maybe and if we’re being honest cross country and track probably doesn’t generate a fraction of what other sports do. It wouldn’t make a difference and it would just take away the few time some people have left competing, there’s no easy solution but shutting everything down is not a good answer
Imagine having your daughter traumatized by losing to a biological male because of the selfish, agenda based liberal tainted policies.
Imagine having a daughter that is "traumatized" by something so trivial. I agree its absurd but I can assure you most girls would be over it and/or joking about it 5 minutes later.
Imagine having your daughter traumatized by losing to a biological male because of the selfish, agenda based liberal tainted policies.
Imagine having a daughter that is "traumatized" by something so trivial. I agree its absurd but I can assure you most girls would be over it and/or joking about it 5 minutes later.
Traumatized is hyperbole, but how long does it take before she starts asking what's the point?
It's like competing against age-cheats except the gap doesn't narrow as you grow older, it increases and stabilizes.
It's not a slippery slope. It's the pit at the bottom of the slope that people warned you about. A team of 7 girls has just learned that no matter how hard they work, the goal they trained for will be yanked away by someone with XY chromosomes. The same old sexist crap that's been going on for centuries, just with a strange new set of cheerleaders.
So the goal they were training for was to win this September invitational? I don’t know if you’ve ever been on a cross country team, have coached, or have ever run before, but your self-worth and view of success in this sport should not be tied to one single race.
If your philosophy on sports is “if I can’t win, why do I even bother?” Then I think you aren’t going to be playing sports for long regardless of whether or not your competition has a Y chromosome.
I've won races. I've lost races. I've outkicked people and been outkicked. I've worked for years with teammates toward a goal we fell short of. Every one of my kids has run XC at some point. There are trans-identifying people in my immediate family who I love very much.
Please stop being such a jerkwad who assumes that no one else is informed about what trans runners are doing to girls' sports. You seem to have no idea how much kids care about their sport, eve if its the JV team.
I've won races. I've lost races. I've outkicked people and been outkicked. I've worked for years with teammates toward a goal we fell short of. Every one of my kids has run XC at some point. There are trans-identifying people in my immediate family who I love very much.
Please stop being such a jerkwad who assumes that no one else is informed about what trans runners are doing to girls' sports. You seem to have no idea how much kids care about their sport, eve if its the JV team.
I know how much kids care about this stuff. I was a JV runner, later a captain on a team that wanted to win regionals. I ran in college and had big individual and team goals there. I also coach high school now. I see kids work their butts off every day to get better.
Our sport is incredibly simple. There is no defense. For that reason, the results posted by your competitors are completely out of your control. If your goal is to win states, that’s fine as a motivator, but it’s only that. If you show up on the day and run to the absolute best of your ability and get 2nd or 5th or 15th, you’ve don’t all you can do. What any other runner or team does on that day should not determine your feelings towards the sport.
Recently heard a radio interview in which the host refused to believe that biological men have any athletic advantage over women, regardless of any data presented. M^g^-ists don't have a monopoly on idiocy; people are just entrenched in their insanity these days and proud of it.
Imagine having your daughter traumatized by losing to a biological male because of the selfish, agenda based liberal tainted policies.
Imagine having a daughter that is "traumatized" by something so trivial. I agree it’s absurd but I can assure you most girls would be over it and/or joking about it 5 minutes later.
I've won races. I've lost races. I've outkicked people and been outkicked. I've worked for years with teammates toward a goal we fell short of. Every one of my kids has run XC at some point. There are trans-identifying people in my immediate family who I love very much.
Please stop being such a jerkwad who assumes that no one else is informed about what trans runners are doing to girls' sports. You seem to have no idea how much kids care about their sport, eve if its the JV team.
I know how much kids care about this stuff. I was a JV runner, later a captain on a team that wanted to win regionals. I ran in college and had big individual and team goals there. I also coach high school now. I see kids work their butts off every day to get better.
Our sport is incredibly simple. There is no defense. For that reason, the results posted by your competitors are completely out of your control. If your goal is to win states, that’s fine as a motivator, but it’s only that. If you show up on the day and run to the absolute best of your ability and get 2nd or 5th or 15th, you’ve don’t all you can do. What any other runner or team does on that day should not determine your feelings towards the sport.
So, shall we just eliminate gender divisions (and age divisions), and just run a single race at all cross country meets? It would certainly save time. Also, why bother keeping age-group or gender-group time records?
Imagine having your daughter traumatized by losing to a biological male because of the selfish, agenda based liberal tainted policies.
Imagine having a daughter that is "traumatized" by something so trivial. I agree its absurd but I can assure you most girls would be over it and/or joking about it 5 minutes later.
It's easy to imagine in this liberal clown world where reality changes daily based upon weak peoples' feelings. You clowns created this and now you have to live with it.
So, shall we just eliminate gender divisions (and age divisions), and just run a single race at all cross country meets? It would certainly save time. Also, why bother keeping age-group or gender-group time records?
There usually aren't age divisions at cross country meets. Maybe grade level divisions if the invitational is large enough. I do think that we should have multiple heats at races so that the fields are so large that people are crashing into one another. I get your point that it would save time, but you have to consider the runners' safety as well.
People keep records for all sorts of reasons: school records, course records, fastest person born in Oklahoma records. I don't get miffed by it. If you don't like it, you don't have to recognize them, I guess.
So, you feel it is best to stop having separate races based on gender divisions or any other category (junior high vs high school, or JV vs V)? Just randomly divide all participants into X number of races?
I can't say I agree with this. I think there is value (especially in K12 competitions, but also college all the way to Olympics) to having separate races for gender divisions and JV/varsity categories. This gives greater recognition to the top performers in these categories, as opposed to them finishing in the back of the pack.
Imagine having a daughter that is "traumatized" by something so trivial. I agree it’s absurd but I can assure you most girls would be over it and/or joking about it 5 minutes later.
Exactly. That would be a failure of parenting.
You two are suggesting the girls should have no goals that get them worked up. They'll just get over everything, right? After all, they should be raising babies at home, right?
So, you feel it is best to stop having separate races based on gender divisions or any other category (junior high vs high school, or JV vs V)? Just randomly divide all participants into X number of races?
I can't say I agree with this. I think there is value (especially in K12 competitions, but also college all the way to Olympics) to having separate races for gender divisions and JV/varsity categories. This gives greater recognition to the top performers in these categories, as opposed to them finishing in the back of the pack.
No. I don't. You proposed that we don't separate them at all. I was just pointing out why that was foolish.
I think we should keep them dividing them as we do. I just believe that the female category should be open to any runner that lives their life as a female. Likewise, the male category is for runners who live their lives as male. That's the most logical thing in my mind.