the steeple has never been run by an athlete of the caliber of El gerrouj/Jakob/Komen/Bekele etc The WR is quite soft relatively to other distances. Girma, a 7:23 guy "only", broke the WR easily with questionnable technique and uneven pacing.
7:51 is easy for Jakob.
You should just stop here. You appear clueless. Shaheen/Cherono was a 12:48 runner and Henry Rono was one of the best runners in history. Jakob might be able to run 7:55. Maybe.
No, i'm not stopping there, and I'll bump this thread when it happens.
Shaheen best performances outside of the steeple were 4rth in the world XC champ short race and 12:48 which is nowhere close to the WR. It's just not the same league as the names above. You can't argue that. And, in addition to having more talent, Jakob has also some technological advantages compared to that time. You should reconsider it.
You should just stop here. You appear clueless. Shaheen/Cherono was a 12:48 runner and Henry Rono was one of the best runners in history. Jakob might be able to run 7:55. Maybe.
No, i'm not stopping there, and I'll bump this thread when it happens.
Shaheen best performances outside of the steeple were 4rth in the world XC champ short race and 12:48 which is nowhere close to the WR. It's just not the same league as the names above. You can't argue that. And, in addition to having more talent, Jakob has also some technological advantages compared to that time. You should reconsider it.
Henry Rono set 4 world records in a span of 81 days in 1978: the 3000m, the 3000m steeplechase, the 5000m and the 10000m. Jakob could NEVER do this and so don’t tell me none of the all time greats did the steeplechase.
No, i'm not stopping there, and I'll bump this thread when it happens.
Shaheen best performances outside of the steeple were 4rth in the world XC champ short race and 12:48 which is nowhere close to the WR. It's just not the same league as the names above. You can't argue that. And, in addition to having more talent, Jakob has also some technological advantages compared to that time. You should reconsider it.
Henry Rono set 4 world records in a span of 81 days in 1978: the 3000m, the 3000m steeplechase, the 5000m and the 10000m. Jakob could NEVER do this and so don’t tell me none of the all time greats did the steeplechase.
LRC never disappoints. Guy just gives HIS opinion yet you continue to argue and call him clueless. Fact is, you also have ZERO idea or know anything about Jakob's potential in these events - it's all opinion. Get a life.
Henry Rono set 4 world records in a span of 81 days in 1978: the 3000m, the 3000m steeplechase, the 5000m and the 10000m. Jakob could NEVER do this and so don’t tell me none of the all time greats did the steeplechase.
LRC never disappoints. Guy just gives HIS opinion yet you continue to argue and call him clueless. Fact is, you also have ZERO idea or know anything about Jakob's potential in these events - it's all opinion. Get a life.
His opinion is ignorant. You fall into the same category. Some of us know about these things.
There already failed experiences before him: Aouita and S. Hassan The main reason the Algerian Morceli followed by El G. focused only on the 1500m.
Sifan Hassan won gold in 10.000 and in the 1500 in 2019, won bronze in 1500, gold in 5000 and gold in 10.000 in the 2020 olympics. This year she took bronze in the 1500 and won the London marathon. Fail? Also, no way Sifan Hassan is the reason El G focused on the 1500. He was fast, not a time traveller.
Unlikely but not impossible: 1500, Steeple, Half marathon
No chance: Marathon
Accurate list.
Kipchoge is ~45 lbs lighter than Jakob, if Jakob lines up with guys like that he is going to look obese in comparison. Those guys are just a different breed. Jakob will run no faster than 2:05.
Ingebrigsten needs at least two years of hard training before daring to measure with El Bakkali or Girma. I say this not from pure chauvinism. El Bakkali (discovered at the age 13 and started from Mohammed 6 center) train like a mad since 2013 the year where he chose to abandon his studies. Not surprising the results he is getting in the latest years.
Henry Rono set 4 world records in a span of 81 days in 1978: the 3000m, the 3000m steeplechase, the 5000m and the 10000m. Jakob could NEVER do this and so don’t tell me none of the all time greats did the steeplechase.
If the only example you can find is from 45 years ago, I would say that it proves my point. What Rono did is quite irrevelant to this discussion anyway given how slower times were in this era compared to now.
But, since you brought it up, let see how the WRs improved since then :
5000 : 13:08 > 12:35 that's 4,2 % improvment.
3000sc : 8:05 > 7:52 that's 2,7% improvment.
4,2 % improvment for the 3000sc would be 7:44 which is... 7:19+25sec.
Henry Rono set 4 world records in a span of 81 days in 1978: the 3000m, the 3000m steeplechase, the 5000m and the 10000m. Jakob could NEVER do this and so don’t tell me none of the all time greats did the steeplechase.
If the only example you can find is from 45 years ago, I would say that it proves my point. What Rono did is quite irrevelant to this discussion anyway given how slower times were in this era compared to now.
But, since you brought it up, let see how the WRs improved since then :
5000 : 13:08 > 12:35 that's 4,2 % improvment.
3000sc : 8:05 > 7:52 that's 2,7% improvment.
4,2 % improvment for the 3000sc would be 7:44 which is... 7:19+25sec.
You should stop there.
But of course if you were more intelligent you would know that as humans get closer to some sort of ceiling that rate of improvement slows, so arguably you have reinforced my point that the steeplechase is not a weak record. Thank you.
There already failed experiences before him: Aouita and S. Hassan The main reason the Algerian Morceli followed by El G. focused only on the 1500m.
Sifan Hassan won gold in 10.000 and in the 1500 in 2019, won bronze in 1500, gold in 5000 and gold in 10.000 in the 2020 olympics. This year she took bronze in the 1500 and won the London marathon. Fail? Also, no way Sifan Hassan is the reason El G focused on the 1500. He was fast, not a time traveller.
We are talking about WR. Are you sleeping?
Though there are at least 10 copies of her Ethiopia but they dont have favorable conditions.
He needs to get to Sifan level before we start talking about the WRs that actually matter. Right now, what we know is that he's the fastest 1500-3k runner, needs to run championship 1500s close to his PB pace to get gold, and is a massive favorite in any championship 5k due to it usually being tactical.
So in one event, he's dominant time-wise and in another he's dominant racing-wise. In terms of WRs, the 5k may be far more challenging for him than the 3k. That is the case in fact, otherwise they've have set a 5k like they were supposed to at Pre. He really had no shot at that 3k WR after going for the mile WR the previous day.
All this talk is senseless tbh - for all we know he could get injured soon and never sniff these times again.
Jacob is such a unique person and talent I put nothing by this dude. I’ll be the first to say it. I think he gets it all. I also agree he could crush the steeple. 8:26 at 16. That is insane. Do you realize how much better he is now? 1500? He runs it like el g. Definitely that and the marathon hardest bit given his mile he nails it. Next year I bet. I would think he’ll work on his speed a little more next year to ensure he can kick to a win at the OG. That will get him his second. The marathon will be next hardest. But anyone who can probably run sub 4 pace for a 5k will be good at the marathon. I have no idea how good but he will be good. Tergat was tall and ran some pretty good marathons as I recall.
Kiptum is tall as well, only 3 cm difference between him and Jakob. I think Jakob would focus on the marathon at the later parts of his career, after Olympics in LA. He said he wants to keep the 1500m until atleast 2028, and be the first to win 3 olympic 1500m golds. Perhaps he will go for 5000, 10000 and marathon in 2032? Now wouldn't that be something. Would be pure speculation if he could do it obviously, but one thing is certain: It would be entertaining as hell.
As he transitions into the marathon, he will probably lose a little bit of weight and adapt his body and training to excel at the distance. He will exhaust every single possibility to bring out his maximum potential in the distance. Will it be enough to run a WR? I would say it's plausible, but will be very, very difficult.
A point to mention: Jakob has talked publicly and conifdently about his chances in the marathon, and I think he does it because he knows he might have excellent potential there. All of this remains pure speculation until we actually see him compete. Perhaps we will se him try out the half sometime after 2025? That would enable us to actually make much, much better predictions.
By the way, Jakob is currently the double xc Euro champion on a hilly 10K course, with no specific xc training, just vastly superior endurance to the others. If you watch the 2022 race, you will see thats it's not even remotely close. This is probably our biggest indicator on his capabilities in the longer distances, maybe a hilly 10K is about the same as a 11-12K flat? Pretty impressive from the 1500m olympic champion if you ask me.
The hardest records for him will probably be the Marathon and 1500m.
The others seems quite possible at this point, with some varying degrees of difficulty. Nothing is certain, but the 3000m and 5000m surely seems to be the most likely ones to fall next year.
Jacob is such a unique person and talent I put nothing by this dude. I’ll be the first to say it. I think he gets it all. I also agree he could crush the steeple. 8:26 at 16. That is insane. Do you realize how much better he is now? 1500? He runs it like el g. Definitely that and the marathon hardest bit given his mile he nails it. Next year I bet. I would think he’ll work on his speed a little more next year to ensure he can kick to a win at the OG. That will get him his second. The marathon will be next hardest. But anyone who can probably run sub 4 pace for a 5k will be good at the marathon. I have no idea how good but he will be good. Tergat was tall and ran some pretty good marathons as I recall.
How did Mo do in the thon? What is your basis for believing JI can break the marathon WR?
Kiptum is tall as well, only 3 cm difference between him and Jakob. I think Jakob would focus on the marathon at the later parts of his career, after Olympics in LA. He said he wants to keep the 1500m until atleast 2028, and be the first to win 3 olympic 1500m golds. Perhaps he will go for 5000, 10000 and marathon in 2032? Now wouldn't that be something. Would be pure speculation if he could do it obviously, but one thing is certain: It would be entertaining as hell.
As he transitions into the marathon, he will probably lose a little bit of weight and adapt his body and training to excel at the distance. He will exhaust every single possibility to bring out his maximum potential in the distance. Will it be enough to run a WR? I would say it's plausible, but will be very, very difficult.
A point to mention: Jakob has talked publicly and conifdently about his chances in the marathon, and I think he does it because he knows he might have excellent potential there. All of this remains pure speculation until we actually see him compete. Perhaps we will se him try out the half sometime after 2025? That would enable us to actually make much, much better predictions.
By the way, Jakob is currently the double xc Euro champion on a hilly 10K course, with no specific xc training, just vastly superior endurance to the others. If you watch the 2022 race, you will see thats it's not even remotely close. This is probably our biggest indicator on his capabilities in the longer distances, maybe a hilly 10K is about the same as a 11-12K flat? Pretty impressive from the 1500m olympic champion if you ask me.
The hardest records for him will probably be the Marathon and 1500m.
The others seems quite possible at this point, with some varying degrees of difficulty. Nothing is certain, but the 3000m and 5000m surely seems to be the most likely ones to fall next year.
No, he talks about it publicly because that's his way of psyching himself up and building motivation... BUT the marathon is a completely different beast. You fanboys are as dellusional as he is to believe in that.