Kipchoge is a nob, and comes off as a nob in interviews. He clearly has an ego and thinks he is superior. Fact is, Kiptum is better. Bekele was better than him too.
Could you tell me why Bekelè should be better than Kipchoge? I mean of course you can say he is better than Kipchoge on track's middle distance races. But why in marathon? I think it's evident there is no comparison between the two.
Kipchoge is like Roger Federer was - arrogant to the end. But his competitiors (Kiptum, Djokovic) are better. Then you had a Nadal (Bekele) who came within 2 seconds of the marathon world record whilst on a diet of taco bell and fanta.
Exactly. Otherwise that downhill mile run in New Zealand in the 80s would still represent the world’s fastest legitimate mile times.
What Kipchoge did was no different than running a sub-2 hour marathon on a treadmill.
Totally agree. The only difference is that, for whatever reasons, Mike Boit's 3:28 mile was not as well-publicized.
That's what makes the whole, lame sub-2 project so annoying. Most posters on this website realize that it doesn't really "count". But to most people outside the running community who paid attention to it, Kipchoge ran the first sub-2 marathon, full stop. Even if you try to explain to them why it was not legit, you'll likely get a blank look. Downhill is something that the average Joe can recognize as an unfair advantage, but all the little things Kipchoge had don't really register.
Imagine if the women's mile WR keeps coming down to around 4:02-3. Then Nike organizes a "Sub-4 Woman" project whereby they take a top female athlete and coax her to a sub-4 under illegal conditions. How lame would that be? They would be stealing the thunder from the first woman to do it while obeying the rules.
"Running a marathon" implies following the rules associated with marathon running. Kipchoge had various advantages that are not allowed by the rules, so he didn't run a sub-2 marathon, in the same sense the Mike Boit didn't "really" run a sub-3:30 mile.
It's still to be seen if he will be able to run sub 2.01. b
But the question now is: why there is no news about his next marathon? Will he skip all the fall marathons this year and run the next one only next year? It would be so disappointing.
I agree that Kipchoge only ran the distance under 2:00. But I'll argue that it hurt the sport by taking away from the achievement of the eventual runner who does it in a legitimate race.
I like Kipchoge and feel somewhat that if he does break 2 in a sanctioned race that he deserves to be the first to do so. But for now, I feel that he's cheated me. I've been a fan of track & field and road running for a long time and have been thinking about the achievement for decades but once he completed this stunt I really lost interest in the sport. Not all interest but it's gone down quite a bit. I also feel offended that the Brojos sell the GOAT shirt. I guess the issue is that they apparently recognize the farcical stunt at legitimate. Worse, if they don't feel that way but just want to make money with the t-shirt sales by taking advantage of the event.
I don't care much about the new shoes that are helping runners break 4 minutes and I think they will have been around long enough that they don't take away from the achievement of a woman breaking the barrier. But I hope that Nike or Ineos or another group doesn't pull a stunt like this to spoil that moment.
Please, do not compare Kiptum to Kipchoge. Eliud has run at top level for 20 years and has never tested positive nor rumors of doping. Do not celebrate Kiptum yet. See what happeneed with Cherono? 3 plus years winning majors and then got caught. What about Titus Ekiru? 2:02 and then a couple years later get caught. Please, do not take Kiptum seriously until 5 plus years have passed. You cannot celebrate two 2:01 performance in the first 2 marathons (one with a second half in 59 and running 3 mins ahead of KAMWOROR) with all doping scandal currently in Kenya. Please, do not dare to compare Eliud Kipchoge with Kiptum, unless several years have passed and Kiptum proves to be clean or keep consistent (very hard in marathon).
And yet two runners who were under the tutelage of Patrick Sang have been busted for PED’s lately - Kipchoge has not condemned or even addressed this issue. Additionally Kipyegon has recently joined Kipchoge under Patrick Sang and broken three world records within 2 months. Where there’s smoke there’s fire……
He isn’t wrong. Is anyone going to print a 1:59 shirt for Kiptum? Probably not. Kipchoge was the first, just not under official conditions
I actually think they would. Most people realise Kipchoge’s run was not an official world record.I am certain when an offical sub 2 is run it would get a huge press release world wide.
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"If Kiptum runs under two hours, he will always be second. I’ll always be the first one. So I have no worries at all,” Kipchoge said. This actually drives me crazy. Marathons have rules, and if you don’t follow them, you aren’t running a marathon. You can’t get closer and closer to a barrier, like the 2 hour mark, then cut a bunch of corners to achieve the mark and call yourself the first to break the barrier. When Roger Bannister broke 4 in the mile, it was record eligible. If Kiptum breaks 2 in the marathon, it will be record eligible and he will officially be the first person to run a marathon under 2 hours. I’m bothered by the fact that Kipchoge has basically stolen the credit from whoever truly runs a marathon under 2 hours.
I do not like all the lights and other stuff the Diamond League is doing to promote "world records." The main reason is because it's cheating but also because every time a record is broken I get a little slower in my youth. That sucks.
Kipchoge is like Roger Federer was - arrogant to the end. But his competitiors (Kiptum, Djokovic) are better. Then you had a Nadal (Bekele) who came within 2 seconds of the marathon world record whilst on a diet of taco bell and fanta.
WoW, you hate Federer? I suppose you also think Mother Theresa was a sinner?
They already explained how they did it beyond the ridiculous alphaflys which should have never been used anywhere
No-one is going under 2 hours in a sanctioned race until they reduce the wind resistance from 7 newtons to just 1 or less like they did in the "demo" and you can't do that without rotating fresh pacers because no-one would last past the half.