could see Hartman factoring into the top 5 at NC State (freshman yr 4:15 1500, 15:49 5k), or Quarzo stepping up (33:06 10k). also factor in recruit Angelina Napoleon, a recruit who has run 2:03 and 6:19 in the steeple and just was named Gatorade POY. Not saying all of this will pan out, but NC State has more options. Florida reminds me of last years Alabama team, with 4 crazy good scorers (Valby, Mazza Downie, Thorner, Asekol), but no fifth runner.
could see Hartman factoring into the top 5 at NC State (freshman yr 4:15 1500, 15:49 5k), or Quarzo stepping up (33:06 10k). also factor in recruit Angelina Napoleon, a recruit who has run 2:03 and 6:19 in the steeple and just was named Gatorade POY. Not saying all of this will pan out, but NC State has more options. Florida reminds me of last years Alabama team, with 4 crazy good scorers (Valby, Mazza Downie, Thorner, Asekol), but no fifth runner.
Their 5th would be projected to be Jordan Shapiro and there were some rumors of hergetting her 5000 down close to 16:10ish I think. But the 5th is they key with these transfers.
NC St returns 1, 3, 9, 14 (team scoring inserting Valby into team score). You forgot about Tynnismaa. I added the caveat "if all athletes are healthy"
Yes, I did forget Tyynismaa transferred and that is a huge plus for NC State. But they did not look good at all (besides Tyynismaa) in Outdoor Track.
While Tuohy got most of the attention from the NCAA meet, Chmiel did not run well either. I HIGHLY doubt either of them can repeat their performances from last CC season. Mazza-Downey beat Chmiel by 22 seconds in the 10000m and by 12 seconds in the 5000m. I don't see Chmiel going from 8th in the 10,000m and 16th in the 5000m to 3rd in Cross Country in a few months. The points scored by Tuohy/Chmiel will NOT be a total of 3 like 2022.
Besides, there is no certainty that either Chmiel or Tuohy will even return. Chmiel has already competed four CC seasons and Tuohy could go pro. And who knows who may transfer for Florida. Olemomoi lost the only three runners who she could train with in Tyynismaa, Asekol, and Chelangat, and her coach went to Florida. Could she be the next transfer? If she does, it is all over for everyone.
NC St returns 1, 3, 9, 14 (team scoring inserting Valby into team score). You forgot about Tynnismaa. I added the caveat "if all athletes are healthy"
Yes, I did forget Tyynismaa transferred and that is a huge plus for NC State. But they did not look good at all (besides Tyynismaa) in Outdoor Track.
While Tuohy got most of the attention from the NCAA meet, Chmiel did not run well either. I HIGHLY doubt either of them can repeat their performances from last CC season. Mazza-Downey beat Chmiel by 22 seconds in the 10000m and by 12 seconds in the 5000m. I don't see Chmiel going from 8th in the 10,000m and 16th in the 5000m to 3rd in Cross Country in a few months. The points scored by Tuohy/Chmiel will NOT be a total of 3 like 2022.
Besides, there is no certainty that either Chmiel or Tuohy will even return. Chmiel has already competed four CC seasons and Tuohy could go pro. And who knows who may transfer for Florida. Olemomoi lost the only three runners who she could train with in Tyynismaa, Asekol, and Chelangat, and her coach went to Florida. Could she be the next transfer? If she does, it is all over for everyone.
While you are not wrong that Chmiel wasn't super impressive outdoors, she has always been a better XC runner than track runner. She has been in the top 10 for 3 consecutive XC Nationals and its hard to see that changing based on one outdoors season that she now gets to rest from.
I mean hell Chmiel was injured all of 2022 outdoors and came back and got 3rd this past XC nats.
Regarding NIL, NCAA prohibits from international student athletes from getting NIL. Florida have a workaround?
Do the athlete’s home-country federations provide any type of assistance for developmental athletes in the NCAA?
There is a international workaround for NIL. Any P5 compliance office knows how to make this happen. Yes I would assume both these girls are getting money each month from their federation.
Don't forget about Angelina Perez of Florida who didn't run last year. Finished 2nd to Natalie Cook at Eastbay Nationals and has a track pb of 9:53 (3200) and XC best of 16:44 out of highschool. She could definitely be a factor in making Florida's top 5. Along with the recent transfer of Allison Wilson... they have options.
Yes, I did forget Tyynismaa transferred and that is a huge plus for NC State. But they did not look good at all (besides Tyynismaa) in Outdoor Track.
While Tuohy got most of the attention from the NCAA meet, Chmiel did not run well either. I HIGHLY doubt either of them can repeat their performances from last CC season. Mazza-Downey beat Chmiel by 22 seconds in the 10000m and by 12 seconds in the 5000m. I don't see Chmiel going from 8th in the 10,000m and 16th in the 5000m to 3rd in Cross Country in a few months. The points scored by Tuohy/Chmiel will NOT be a total of 3 like 2022.
Besides, there is no certainty that either Chmiel or Tuohy will even return. Chmiel has already competed four CC seasons and Tuohy could go pro. And who knows who may transfer for Florida. Olemomoi lost the only three runners who she could train with in Tyynismaa, Asekol, and Chelangat, and her coach went to Florida. Could she be the next transfer? If she does, it is all over for everyone.
While you are not wrong that Chmiel wasn't super impressive outdoors, she has always been a better XC runner than track runner. She has been in the top 10 for 3 consecutive XC Nationals and its hard to see that changing based on one outdoors season that she now gets to rest from.
I mean hell Chmiel was injured all of 2022 outdoors and came back and got 3rd this past XC nats.
Great point! Chmiel will rally in XC as she literally always does. It also seemed to be insinuated in the post that you were responding to that neither Chmiel OR Tuohy were likely to repeat their performances from last year XC. Whattt?? Tuohy is still the favorite to win as long as she returns. That one off race doesn’t change anything. Hills pay the bills!!!
Don't forget about Angelina Perez of Florida who didn't run last year. Finished 2nd to Natalie Cook at Eastbay Nationals and has a track pb of 9:53 (3200) and XC best of 16:44 out of highschool. She could definitely be a factor in making Florida's top 5. Along with the recent transfer of Allison Wilson... they have options.
Don't forget about Angelina Perez of Florida who didn't run last year. Finished 2nd to Natalie Cook at Eastbay Nationals and has a track pb of 9:53 (3200) and XC best of 16:44 out of highschool. She could definitely be a factor in making Florida's top 5. Along with the recent transfer of Allison Wilson... they have options.
Is Perez back?
Yes she's back, but so far she's never been. Red shirted whole freshman year with well publicized eating disorder. If she ever runs to her HS potential, she's top 5 and all American threat. Big IF though.