The problem with this is that there are two girls programs that have completely and utterly dominated the rest of the United States for the past 20 years and they both happen to be in New York. No NE girls team would ever get a shot.
It is interesting though that FM and Saratoga girls are almost always top 3 in the nation but the boys aren’t. I know FM boys won in the 2010’s but overall they don’t dominate like the girls do.
I remember seeing an interview of Doug Soles talking about how New York girl teams get the opportunity to fully train with their 8th graders and how it gives them an edge as girls are more likely to be able to contribute to their team scores at a young age.
It is interesting though that FM and Saratoga girls are almost always top 3 in the nation but the boys aren’t. I know FM boys won in the 2010’s but overall they don’t dominate like the girls do.
In FM's case, the severe diet restrictions the coach imposes seem to positively impact girls more than boys, in terms of performance. Saratoga may well do the same thing (their boys have also won NXN / NTN once, FWIW).
The problem with this is that there are two girls programs that have completely and utterly dominated the rest of the United States for the past 20 years and they both happen to be in New York. No NE girls team would ever get a shot.
It is interesting though that FM and Saratoga girls are almost always top 3 in the nation but the boys aren’t. I know FM boys won in the 2010’s but overall they don’t dominate like the girls do.
They won in 2014 and used to make it to NXN every year. But now they don’t just not dominate, but they didn’t make state last year and only had 10 boys on the roster, with half of them being seniors
Here is what FM boys team returns McGinn - 9:19 - 12 Ditre - 10:12 - 11 W Beecher - 4:42 - 10 Patrick - 5:13 - 12 MacBlane - 5:14 - 10
This Beecher guy hasn’t even run XC before so there are no guarantees that he will do it this year. Plus some of those people may be injured. A couple of FM varsity guys were injured last year
It is interesting though that FM and Saratoga girls are almost always top 3 in the nation but the boys aren’t. I know FM boys won in the 2010’s but overall they don’t dominate like the girls do.
Really interesting. (Coming from NY) I didn't realize that other states are not allowed to have modified programs for Jr high school.
This makes a difference but still doesn't explain the gender disparity.
Found a post in this thread: “One of the issues here is that many 7th or 8th grade girls that are fast tend to bonk once they hit puberty, and often cannot run as fast once they hit highschool, soph or junior years.”
Great job by Grace Ping qualifying for Nike Cross Nationals. As a 7th grader, that is truly impressive. I do wonder, since the NXN participation rules say that an athlete must be in good standing with their high school team a...
I remember seeing an interview of Doug Soles talking about how New York girl teams get the opportunity to fully train with their 8th graders and how it gives them an edge as girls are more likely to be able to contribute to their team scores at a young age.
Including indoor performances, Saratoga has 4:21, 4:22, 4:22, 4:26, 4:30. Could top 10 at NXN be a possibility?
That 4:30 guy is Cooper Brandriss. He didn’t start competitive running until 2023 Indoor Track. He ran a 9:39 3200 outdoors (highest nonsenior 3200 on the team)
Including indoor performances, Saratoga has 4:21, 4:22, 4:22, 4:26, 4:30. Could top 10 at NXN be a possibility?
no, unless the majority of them improve during xc than 10 top is likely.
Cross country is very different than 1600. Some of those guys don’t run the 3200, which makes it hard to tell how xc will go. If some non-NY team falters at NXN, then a top-20 NXN finish will be possible.
no, unless the majority of them improve during xc than 10 top is likely.
Cross country is very different than 1600. Some of those guys don’t run the 3200, which makes it hard to tell how xc will go. If some non-NY team falters at NXN, then a top-20 NXN finish will be possible.
NY regularly proves this true by overperforming in XC. Last year Corning returned only two guys under 4:30 and finished 10th.
Cross country is very different than 1600. Some of those guys don’t run the 3200, which makes it hard to tell how xc will go. If some non-NY team falters at NXN, then a top-20 NXN finish will be possible.
NY regularly proves this true by overperforming in XC. Last year Corning returned only two guys under 4:30 and finished 10th.
Well it was actually clear that Corning was going to be really good before the 2022 season started. They dominated the 2021 state meet with only 2 seniors, and they got second to Burnt Hills at NXR 2021 without their #1 nonsenior Bange, and their 2-6 that raced were nonseniors.
Including indoor performances, Saratoga has 4:21, 4:22, 4:22, 4:26, 4:30. Could top 10 at NXN be a possibility?
Will Saratoga even be #1 in the state? They lost 3 seniors including NXN qualifier Talarico, and St Anthony’s was better than them last year and made NXN and return 3 of their top 5, in addition to Wigutow (9:29), Melloy (9:59 but ran a TT 9:39 last fall according to another thread), and Kennedy (10:05 3200 indoor)
Including indoor performances, Saratoga has 4:21, 4:22, 4:22, 4:26, 4:30. Could top 10 at NXN be a possibility?
Will Saratoga even be #1 in the state? They lost 3 seniors including NXN qualifier Talarico, and St Anthony’s was better than them last year and made NXN and return 3 of their top 5, in addition to Wigutow (9:29), Melloy (9:59 but ran a TT 9:39 last fall according to another thread), and Kennedy (10:05 3200 indoor)
Corning also returns 4 guys under 10:00 and has a tendency to reload better than any team except maybe FM, so they might not even win their NYSPHSAA division or make NXN.
Will Saratoga even be #1 in the state? They lost 3 seniors including NXN qualifier Talarico, and St Anthony’s was better than them last year and made NXN and return 3 of their top 5, in addition to Wigutow (9:29), Melloy (9:59 but ran a TT 9:39 last fall according to another thread), and Kennedy (10:05 3200 indoor)
Corning also returns 4 guys under 10:00 and has a tendency to reload better than any team except maybe FM, so they might not even win their NYSPHSAA division or make NXN.
Corning boys team will likely only have 1 senior scoring, so look for them to potentially return to NXN in 2024, although North Rockland will be very good that year too
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