Also why all his analysis focused on Europeano American runners, while throwing hyperbolic PED accusations on African?
You are the only one here with Coevett obsessed with skin color and race trying to prove in every thread that europeans and americans are racist towards africans. (Coevett tries to prove the opposit, meaning that we call him racist because we are in love with africans and delusional) that actually makes of you the one who is racist. And both of you are pathetic. Most of us don't care about skin color or native country. We are just enjoying the sport.
Can you stop playing the victim and bothering us with your obsession?
I am not sure why anyone thinks he can ever do it. He seems more like Komen than Hicham and Komen didn’t seem like he could have ever done it. I see his ceiling at low 3:27 even in superspikes. He has surprised me before though so who knows? He would probably have a slightly better shot at the 2000m record, but that is formidable as well.
Well I will say this - I didn't think I would see a 2 mile in 7.54.10 where he ran the last 3000m in under 7.22. And I get it, Hicham was almost certainly a 1.43 800m runner (with the mythically alleged sub 1.43 in training) and Jakob isn't that - but even I have underestimated just how much of a difference almost perfect even splits make to record attempts (almost every record we have seen in the last 36 months is because of them) and Jakobs ability to execute flawlessly.
And either way, he may not get it but he is going to try and so he should. That alone will be worth the price of admission. So I'm just theorizing if in any realm of possibility he can do this, what he's going to have to run.
Lagat was a 1:46 runner and he famously likes to say he could not have run any faster. How did he put together his 3:26.34 in terms of splits?
I don't see that he has the speed to run 3.26. Even if he trained for it he would be unlikely to break 1.46 for the 800. El G ran that in the last 800 at Athens in 2004.
Very misleading. With his 1500 and 2 mile PR's, he is well capable of racing faster than 1:46. Get real.
Also why all his analysis focused on Europeano American runners, while throwing hyperbolic PED accusations on African?
You are the only one here with Coevett obsessed with skin color and race trying to prove in every thread that europeans and americans are racist towards africans. (Coevett tries to prove the opposit, meaning that we call him racist because we are in love with africans and delusional) that actually makes of you the one who is racist. And both of you are pathetic. Most of us don't care about skin color or native country. We are just enjoying the sport.
Can you stop playing the victim and bothering us with your obsession?
It's not question of skin, it's question of inequality.
You should learn your lessons of how the law works in this world.
Everyday I see a predator eating a prey and others applauding the exploit and advance in progress.
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Well I will say this - I didn't think I would see a 2 mile in 7.54.10 where he ran the last 3000m in under 7.22. And I get it, Hicham was almost certainly a 1.43 800m runner (with the mythically alleged sub 1.43 in training) and Jakob isn't that - but even I have underestimated just how much of a difference almost perfect even splits make to record attempts (almost every record we have seen in the last 36 months is because of them) and Jakobs ability to execute flawlessly.
And either way, he may not get it but he is going to try and so he should. That alone will be worth the price of admission. So I'm just theorizing if in any realm of possibility he can do this, what he's going to have to run.
Lagat was a 1:46 runner and he famously likes to say he could not have run any faster. How did he put together his 3:26.34 in terms of splits?
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Here is the footage of that race. Hood runs 53.65 (!!) for the first lap, I would guess Lagat is like 4 meters back so maybe 54.2. 1.50.08 at 800m (already a massively inefficient pacing job there compared to what is possible now with w/light) but the telecast for some reason backs off so if we assume they held the approximate spacing Lagat would have been say 1.50.6. 1200m is 2.46.10 - Lagat is now right on Hicham so maybe 2.46.3 and then that means a 40.0 closeout.
So summary he goes 54.2, 56.4, 55.7, 40.0
Honestly both of these guys should have been under 3.26 that day. They could have been a half second faster through 800m with maybe even less energy cost had the first lap not been so fast (sub 54 is insane).
On the topic of Lagats 800m time, sure it's "officially" 1.46.00 and he claims he could absolutely not have run faster but that's definitely just a classic off the cuff moment of well intended humility. I mean he ran 1.46.8 for the 800m in Athens so when he was in this shape running way under 3.30 it's hard to believe he couldn't run at least 1.45.00 +/- a few tenths either side (and probably most likely under). And I know there was some "stuff" that happened around this time but you still have to have the leg speed and speed endurance to run that fast.
As for Jakobs 800m PR - well again it's a matter of focus. Because even if you asked him to go PR right now he might "only" run 1.45.5 but that's hardly the ceiling of his potential. I have no doubts he could adjust his training for 3 months then run low to mid 1.44's. I don't see how running back to back 52's is much of an issue for him if he really went after it.
Back quickly to El G in 2001, Nico Motchebon (1.43 and Olympic finalist in the 800 in 96) told me a story about El G after this race in Rieti going absolutely ballistic through 1200m going for the record and then totally eating sh-t in the last 200. Maybe some track fan in Italy has it taped on VHS but the footage is absolutely nowhere - out in just under 1.49 and through 1200m in under 2.44 (yes!) before absolutely imploding in the last 200 to run 3.29.08 (and yes this is a different race to the 2002 performance where he was 2.44.75 and ran 3.26.9). Different days huh.
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Here is the footage of that race. Hood runs 53.65 (!!) for the first lap, I would guess Lagat is like 4 meters back so maybe 54.2. 1.50.08 at 800m (already a massively inefficient pacing job there compared to what is possible now with w/light) but the telecast for some reason backs off so if we assume they held the approximate spacing Lagat would have been say 1.50.6. 1200m is 2.46.10 - Lagat is now right on Hicham so maybe 2.46.3 and then that means a 40.0 closeout.
So summary he goes 54.2, 56.4, 55.7, 40.0
Honestly both of these guys should have been under 3.26 that day. They could have been a half second faster through 800m with maybe even less energy cost had the first lap not been so fast (sub 54 is insane).
On the topic of Lagats 800m time, sure it's "officially" 1.46.00 and he claims he could absolutely not have run faster but that's definitely just a classic off the cuff moment of well intended humility. I mean he ran 1.46.8 for the 800m in Athens so when he was in this shape running way under 3.30 it's hard to believe he couldn't run at least 1.45.00 +/- a few tenths either side (and probably most likely under). And I know there was some "stuff" that happened around this time but you still have to have the leg speed and speed endurance to run that fast.
As for Jakobs 800m PR - well again it's a matter of focus. Because even if you asked him to go PR right now he might "only" run 1.45.5 but that's hardly the ceiling of his potential. I have no doubts he could adjust his training for 3 months then run low to mid 1.44's. I don't see how running back to back 52's is much of an issue for him if he really went after it.
Back quickly to El G in 2001, Nico Motchebon (1.43 and Olympic finalist in the 800 in 96) told me a story about El G after this race in Rieti going absolutely ballistic through 1200m going for the record and then totally eating sh-t in the last 200. Maybe some track fan in Italy has it taped on VHS but the footage is absolutely nowhere - out in just under 1.49 and through 1200m in under 2.44 (yes!) before absolutely imploding in the last 200 to run 3.29.08 (and yes this is a different race to the 2002 performance where he was 2.44.75 and ran 3.26.9). Different days huh.
Thank you so much for taking the time to provide all of this informative detail.
1.50 is less than 4 secs from his absolute best over the 800. It would be like Coe setting out in 1.45-46. Jakob couldn't set out running that close to his best 800 without blowing up.
Lagat's 800m PR is 1:46 and he closed a a 1500m race in 1:46.
Maybe, just maybe, a PR doesn't represent a runner's limit at that event if he doesn't race it often.
But Lagat didn't run the first 800 in 1.50.
Jakob doesn't have it in him to run any faster than 1.46 or thereabouts. He's not a speedster. To run an 800 only a few seconds off his limit and then keep going for another 700 at near the same speed won't be within his capacity - or anyone's - no matter how doped.
Well I will say this - I didn't think I would see a 2 mile in 7.54.10 where he ran the last 3000m in under 7.22. And I get it, Hicham was almost certainly a 1.43 800m runner (with the mythically alleged sub 1.43 in training) and Jakob isn't that - but even I have underestimated just how much of a difference almost perfect even splits make to record attempts (almost every record we have seen in the last 36 months is because of them) and Jakobs ability to execute flawlessly.
And either way, he may not get it but he is going to try and so he should. That alone will be worth the price of admission. So I'm just theorizing if in any realm of possibility he can do this, what he's going to have to run.
Lagat was a 1:46 runner and he famously likes to say he could not have run any faster. How did he put together his 3:26.34 in terms of splits?
I don't see that he has the speed to run 3.26. Even if he trained for it he would be unlikely to break 1.46 for the 800. El G ran that in the last 800 at Athens in 2004.
Very misleading. With his 1500 and 2 mile PR's, he is well capable of racing faster than 1:46. Get real.
He's never got near doing that. How do you extrapolate 800 speed from longer distances? By the same token Rudisha should probably be able to run 3.24 from his 1.40x speed. Neither argument works.
I don't see Jakob breaking this record. I'm assuming it will go something 54-56-56 through 1200 but he just doesn't have the same type of speed as El G or Lagat etc to get him under 3:26.
He'll run one of the fastest times in history - but not under 3:26. I think dipping under 3:28 is best case.
I would rather see him go for the 5000 based off the 2 mile performance.
Lagat's 800m PR is 1:46 and he closed a a 1500m race in 1:46.
Maybe, just maybe, a PR doesn't represent a runner's limit at that event if he doesn't race it often.
But Lagat didn't run the first 800 in 1.50.
Jakob doesn't have it in him to run any faster than 1.46 or thereabouts. He's not a speedster. To run an 800 only a few seconds off his limit and then keep going for another 700 at near the same speed won't be within his capacity - or anyone's - no matter how doped.
I see Salvatore posted a race above in which Lagat did just that. I would agree then with his assessment that Lagat was therefore capable of around 1.45. I don't think Jakob is. Jakob is one of the "slowest" (in terms of sprint speed) of any top 1500 runner I have seen. He has phenomenal endurance. Lagat had a faster finish than Jakob has. At Athens he was right on El G's shoulder right up to the tape while running 1.46-low for the last 800m.
1500m is at the very bottom of JI's range so the WR might be a stretch. He's the best on the planet...maybe ever...but his sweet spot appears to be between 3k and 5k (7:54.1 !!). I can certainly see him betting to 3:27.0 and 3:44.5, which is scary fast. At 3k, 2mile, 5k...he should get them all (1 down and 2 to go).
Going 1.46 flying in the 800m After running the first 700m in 3000-5000m pace does not give a reason to assume lagat or el g was capable of running much faster. These are endurance freaks and can go very close to max after such a slow start
Just get on Monaco's track, aim for 1:50.0 at the 800 and go for it.
1.50 is less than 4 secs from his absolute best over the 800. It would be like Coe setting out in 1.45-46. Jakob couldn't set out running that close to his best 800 without blowing up.
Its weird to care about his "best ever 800m" as his best ever 800m is any indication of his 800m speed. Its like caring about his best ever 3000m instead of his 3000m split on the 2mile record.
I think you know track very well. Your numbers look good. I believe Jakob can set the 1500m record with pacing along the lines you state. I'd like to see him do it.