drocha86 wrote:
Rojo’s least favorite runner
Obviously he made a lot of signs attesting that in the past.
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Typical arab wrote:
Wait he’s a winner? How many medals has he won…?
I'm waiting the time when he subscribe the new European records on the 5000m and 1500m.
How do you beat against that?
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whutwhut wrote:
2017 - 3:52
2018 - 3:40 / 7:56 / 13:50
2019 - 3:37 / 7:53i
2020 - 3:36 / 7:44
2021 - 3:28 / 7:27* / 12:50 (*in heavy rain)
2022 - 3:29 / 7:50 / 13:22
2023 - 3:34i / 7:24i / 12:52I'm not even disappointed in Katir anymore, I'm disappointed in the people who make excuses and don't see how obvious this case is
Suspicious as hell.
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I like His comeback. Track and field is a dirty sport and anyone who runs with about the same results as Katir is not clean. The times are not natural at this point. One of his comments below says he passed two drug tests, but yet any doper can pass a drug test on a day they feel confident.
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Exactly.. i thought this discussion was over back in 2020
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Why do so many people think Katir is dirty, as opposed to other elite runners he competes with?
The answer is obvious: they've seen a bunch of threads saying Katir is dirty. Other than that, there is nothing about him that seems any more suspicious than most other elites. He's had ups and downs; he's run fast times. He's probably dirty. In other words, he's just like the other guys in the field.
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whutwhut wrote:
2017 - 3:52
2018 - 3:40 / 7:56 / 13:50
2019 - 3:37 / 7:53i
2020 - 3:36 / 7:44
2021 - 3:28 / 7:27* / 12:50 (*in heavy rain)
2022 - 3:29 / 7:50 / 13:22
2023 - 3:34i / 7:24i / 12:52I'm not even disappointed in Katir anymore, I'm disappointed in the people who make excuses and don't see how obvious this case is
2020 was a complete shtshow due to covid and we all know that
in 2019 while racing as a 21 year old Katir ran 3:37 in Castellon
next real track season in 2021 he was 23 and went 3:28 on the fastest track in the world that was led out wonderfully by a couple pacers and then Timothy Cheruiyot in what was essentially a time-trial for everyone involved
is he doping? probably
is it possible that he's clean? yes
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osm wrote:
In response to a comment stating "No way Katir is clean," Katir replied:
"what hurts friend? while you criticize me that this is normal it is the nature of men when there is another man better than him they envy him, ask your wife if Katir is handsome or not 😼😼 surely your wife would be delighted to be with a winner not a loser."
Further down the thread, he claimed to have passed two drug tests yesterday.
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new copypasta just dropped
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osm wrote:
he claimed to have passed two drug tests yesterday
Two of em, yesterday.
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WU20runner wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Two years ago he ran faster in Florence. It really isn't a normal progression is it? You go from sub-elite to Olympic gold contender in both 1500 and 5000m in the space of one year at age 23, then regress a bit over the next 2 years?
Bruh I’m a bit sad to see such a dumb comment on a running forum. You don’t understand different races result in different times ? You think Jakob regressed because he ran 3:32 in Rabat ? And Hoare ? And pretty much everyone in the race ? And Grant Fisher has lost 10 seconds over 5k ??
Surely Centro regressed from 3:30 to 3:50 in 2016 when he won gold in Rio.
I didn't express it very well, but I was just trying to point out that this win doesn't mean he's LESS likely to be a doper, as some are trying to argue.
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osm wrote:
In response to a comment stating "No way Katir is clean," Katir replied:
"what hurts friend? while you criticize me that this is normal it is the nature of men when there is another man better than him they envy him, ask your wife if Katir is handsome or not 😼😼 surely your wife would be delighted to be with a winner not a loser."
Further down the thread, he claimed to have passed two drug tests yesterday.
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Amazing old school, alpha quote. Can't help but think of this:
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Coevett wrote:
Two years ago he ran faster in Florence. It really isn't a normal progression is it? You go from sub-elite to Olympic gold contender in both 1500 and 5000m in the space of one year at age 23, then regress a bit over the next 2 years?
Same year, Cole Hocker, going from unknown runner to 3:31 and by many real gold contender in Olympics(in final better place than Katir).
This year Nuguse from last year sub-elite runner, not really known outside of USA to almost world record in mile, and same 3k record as Katir in 2021, and now many are saying that he is real contender for medals at world championships453 -
noname33 wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Two years ago he ran faster in Florence. It really isn't a normal progression is it? You go from sub-elite to Olympic gold contender in both 1500 and 5000m in the space of one year at age 23, then regress a bit over the next 2 years?
Same year, Cole Hocker, going from unknown runner to 3:31 and by many real gold contender in Olympics(in final better place than Katir).
This year Nuguse from last year sub-elite runner, not really known outside of USA to almost world record in mile, and same 3k record as Katir in 2021, and now many are saying that he is real contender for medals at world championships
Cole Hocker, 3 years younger.
You can't compare a 19/20 year old with a 23 year old who had been running fulltime and plateauing for severeal years as a sub-elite, before suddenly looking like he was on course to smash El G's records.
Odd how the likes of ThoughtsLeader will pick up on my badly worded comment pointing out Katir is no faster than he was 2 years ago, but not say anything about such a comment as yours.
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noname33 wrote:
Same year, Cole Hocker, going from unknown runner to 3:31 and by many real gold contender in Olympics(in final better place than Katir).
This year Nuguse from last year sub-elite runner, not really known outside of USA to almost world record in mile, and same 3k record as Katir in 2021, and now many are saying that he is real contender for medals at world championships
Katir:
2019 (21)- 3:37 / 7:53i
2020 (22)- 3:36 / 7:44
2021 (23)- 3:28 / 7:27 / 12:50
2022 (24)- 3:29 / 7:50 / 13:22
2023 (25)- 3:34i / 7:24i / 12:52
Nuguse:
2019 (20)- 3:38
2020 (21)- Did not race
2021 (22)- 3:34 / 13:40
2022 (23)- 3:33 / 7:38i
2023 (24)- 3:33i / 3:47i / 7:28i
Hocker:
2019 (18)- No significant results
2020 (19)- 3:58i / 8:15i / 13:32
2021 (20)- 3:31 / 3:50i / 7:46i / 13:18
2022 (21)- 3:35 / 3:50i / 7:39i / 13:08
2023 (22)- 7:51i
Nuguse does not really have an improvement as massive as Katir from season to season and Hocker's came from when he was still a teenager. I wouldn't really put them anywhere close as suspicious as Katir when it comes to doping. Also, Hocker was never a gold medal contender, that was just usual American over hype, while Nuguse has been elite since at least 2021 cause he literally made the Olympic team that year, so I don't get those comments.
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Is ingebrigtsen clean?
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Coevett wrote:
It appears that one of the wonderful mods deleted the classic 'Katir is the most obvious doper of all time' thread, maybe Rekrunner or Jama Aden.
But there was a stack of info in that thread, including about his shady manager, who has gone on record as stating that athletes caught doping should be given not just a second chance, but a third chance and a fourth chance (he actually used those words).
Just because your posts are generally offensive to most people doesn't mean I'm a moderator. Take some personal responsibility for your own words, and any forum non-compliance. I thought you were proud of them.
For clarity and for the record, I am not a moderator, never was, and am in no way affiliated with anyone working at or for this website and forum. I only read and post here.
I see in another thread that Jama Aden was quietly acquitted by the Spanish Criminal courts at the end of last year, after a lengthy 6 and 1/2 year investigation and prosecution.
Apparently there is still time for the tabloids to get the scoop.
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I've been wondering if some Pro's (Kipyegon?) are simply starting to use sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) now that Mautren has made it easier on the stomach.
Total legal and a pretty simple concept, make your blood less acidic to start with to help forestall muscle acidosis. It's been known to work for quite a while it's just that the side effects (explosive diarrhea, etc.) were too extreme.
No reason it shouldn't work especially in the 1500 and the 5K as well especially during the kick.
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Funnily the poster who said that is nikeman on letsrun
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Coevett wrote:
Seb Coe.. wrote:
I honestly don't find Katir any more suspicious than the rest of the top guys. I remember it raised some eyebrows when he came out of the pandemic in superhuman shape and then faded in 2021, but this is his 3rd straight year now of being World Class.
Two years ago he ran faster in Florence. It really isn't a normal progression is it? You go from sub-elite to Olympic gold contender in both 1500 and 5000m in the space of one year at age 23, then regress a bit over the next 2 years?
From 8th at the Olympics to Bronze at Worlds and a close Silver to Ingebrigtsen at Euros doesn’t seem like a regression to me. The guy seems to have peaked too early before Tokyo and flopped because of it, last season he appears to have been more conservative with his approach and has done better internationally as a result.
His overall progression is unusual, but you can still remain objective when it comes to his results.
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So FUN! so HILAIRE! God for Mo! HA! HA! HA! You got him good!
Reminds me of some other times athletes fired back at doping allegations. These were good too!!
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