800m 1:43! In no name meet. 1500m 3:30 small meet. Mile 3:46! No name meet. International competition: 3:35 the same exact year (2007) , world athletics final 2007 3:38. 🚩 🚩 🚩 suspicious is an understatement.
800m 1:43! In no name meet. 1500m 3:30 small meet. Mile 3:46! No name meet. International competition: 3:35 the same exact year (2007) , world athletics final 2007 3:38. 🚩 🚩 🚩 suspicious is an understatement.
Webb won a diamond league 1500 in 3:30. Also won 3 USATF titles. Sure, he wasn’t a great championship performer, but I think you are letting the recent results of Americans getting medals in middle distance events bias you. Historically speaking, medals are not normal for Americans in 800-1500.
Also, I’m not sure I follow the logic of how performing well at small meets vs championships making him suspect. Do you think all of the meets he performed well at didn’t have drug testing?
When u fall short of it find u a pair of zoom Kennedys and then compare that to your bouncy clown shoes and then put some stank on webbs name of how much better he was.
We need to talk about how suspicious this guys career was. He performed well in no name small time meets and then when the important stuff came up he was no where to be found.
He was there running like 13s 100m a long way from home 🤣 The guy basically had 6 months when everything clicked and he was on a different level. Maybe another 3 years where he was very good but a notch down.
There’s a reason the hell no option in the poll came out on top.
regardless, 4 dudes breaking 4 in the same race is almost as cool as Webb’s 3:53, please give these kids some goddamn respect
That being said, Burns is a clown. Reminiscent of Flatts antics last year. His success has obviously gone to his head a bit, but I hope he can mature in college and grow into a person who can handle his own talent
His interview with Merber rubbed me the wrong way. Chalk that up to being young and talented and feeling unbeatable. It’s hard to probably not get a big head if you are continually stomping your regional/state competition, but realize how some of those statements come off before speaking openly about it.
I was an arrogant jerk when I was younger until I got rolled at the state meet and came in 8th. I look back at it with some cringe and how I thought I’d just come in and lock down the win.
It’s hard to compare different generations on times alone. Someday Webbs 3:53 will be broken. But I doubt it will in the style that he ran his. For those of you not around when he ran that, go watch the video, it was really special and I would guess we don’t see something like that again.
Webbs 3:46 will prob be broken either this summer or next….
but that 3:53 has another 10-15 years shelf life.
Doesn’t Kessler’s HSR (which was faster than the NCAA record at the time) convert to about 3:51.5ish? Clearly the superior mark to Webb’s. No reason someone like that couldn’t break it — Kessler could have.
Could. Should. Woulda.
Hypothetically, yes. But hypothetically the Miami Heat shouldn't be in the NBA playoffs.
Webb won a diamond league 1500 in 3:30. Also won 3 USATF titles. Sure, he wasn’t a great championship performer, but I think you are letting the recent results of Americans getting medals in middle distance events bias you. Historically speaking, medals are not normal for Americans in 800-1500.
Also, I’m not sure I follow the logic of how performing well at small meets vs championships making him suspect. Do you think all of the meets he performed well at didn’t have drug testing?
BINGO!
You are being too kind. As Emma Coburn found out the hard way: No drug test, no record!
To be fair to Rupp, he ran 4:01 pre-super shoes without even specializing in the mile or even the 3k. He was working up to that 13:37 in Rieti and still almost snuck under 4 as a HS'er.
Webb won a diamond league 1500 in 3:30. Also won 3 USATF titles. Sure, he wasn’t a great championship performer, but I think you are letting the recent results of Americans getting medals in middle distance events bias you. Historically speaking, medals are not normal for Americans in 800-1500.
Also, I’m not sure I follow the logic of how performing well at small meets vs championships making him suspect. Do you think all of the meets he performed well at didn’t have drug testing?
BINGO!
You are being too kind. As Emma Coburn found out the hard way: No drug test, no record!
IIRC when he set the record at the small meet they had to bring in a tester as one had not been assigned to that meet.
From the jump I knew it wasn’t going to happen when they were not right on the pacer. Eric S kept looking back from 200-400 slowed up and then strung the pack out.
Webbs 3:46 will prob be broken either this summer or next….
but that 3:53 has another 10-15 years shelf life.
Doesn’t Kessler’s HSR (which was faster than the NCAA record at the time) convert to about 3:51.5ish? Clearly the superior mark to Webb’s. No reason someone like that couldn’t break it — Kessler could have.
That being said, Burns is a clown. Reminiscent of Flatts antics last year. His success has obviously gone to his head a bit, but I hope he can mature in college and grow into a person who can handle his own talent
Say what you want about flatt and all his talk but he was legit. Ran under 1:47 more times than there have been athletes under 1:47. He never got the HSR but he was close and he was fast.
It's hard to run 1:46. It's even harder to to it multiple times. It's much harder to do it multiple times, go to US champs as a high schooler, and do it twice within a few days, all with the eyes of an entire country on you.
He was legitimately a great 800 HS as a 19 y.o. ....Compared to college freshman who were also 19 year olds last year, he was not the fastest. Didn't matter because he didn't break the record but if he did, it would have a glaring asterisk by it. The only comparison here is that both Flatt and Burns talked a lot of chit leasing up to their record attempts and both fell short. Some say it's good for the sport to bring more attention and interest. I agree. ...The humility of failing in front of everybody also brings respect to these iconic HS Records.
Very impressive record for sure. That 3:53 is like 3:50 with carbon plate spikes.
with your logic hicham would have run 3.23 today 🤦🏻
No. They are worth more for a 4:00 runner than they are a 3:43 runner. I would say for most ~4:00 runners they are worth 3-4 seconds. A 4:04 runner w/o super shoes would, most likely, break 4:00, on the same day, without changing a thing other than switching to super shoes. For someone under 3:50 (especially 3:46 area) they are probably only worth 1-2 seconds. El G with the shoes on the day he ran 3:43.13 would probably run low 3:42 area. Maybe very high 3:41. These improvements come from comparing top 100 performances for HS, US, and World average time improvements over the past 10 years pre and post super shoes.
If the shoes aren't worth it - why pay for them? Why buy into a gimic that doesn't work? Truth is, they work. And they work enough that the all top HS runners are now wearing them. Companies could price those things out at $500 and runners would buy them. I'd buy them to get under 4:00. But it doesn't change the fact that a 4:00 isn't worth what it used to be.
Very impressive record for sure. That 3:53 is like 3:50 with carbon plate spikes.
dragonflys/avanti dont even have a carbon plate or shank...
The dragonflys have a pebax plate and foam and pretty sure avanti uses both carbon plate and pebax. They return energy which reduces leg fatigue which reduces work load on cardiovascular system which allows an athlete to run faster for a longer duration. For a 4:00 miler they are worth 3-4 seconds. A 3:59 runner would most likely run around 4:03 just by switching to shoes from 5 years ago. Great, but not sub 4. There is a reason 100% of all top runners from HS to world-class are wearing supershoes.
It would be interesting to get same runners together again in a couple weeks and have them run in pre supershoes and watch all the time drop.