...... paula... CHEATS OUT..........

> molfin -- She didn't failed tests but she tested positive.

She did not test positive. Again you are repeating what PR said in the press -- but the IAAF is the official body, not PR, and the IAAF said OY's sample was within the range for NORMAL values. Which is NOT a postive test.

> Yowsa -- You must be so proud of yourself to tear down someone who actually TRIES to reach their goals instead of spending their lives discouraging others.

PR has spent much of her time discouraging and discrediting her competition -- OY in particular who was her strongest competition at the time.

> Smartypants -- Yegorova didnt fail a drugs test, she tested positive on her urine sample.

That is not correct. Yegorova did not test positive for any EPO. She tested within the range for NORMAL values.

> DougC -- If Yegorova was not an EPO cheat, then she should have had no concerns and it shouldn't have scared her off.

Yegorova competed like a champion all the year and won all of her races except one. She was never afraid to compete against anyone else and she PASSED every test that was given to her. PR was afraid to run against her and withdrew from the 5000m, instead holding up that sign -- the only way she knew to intimate all the other runners, because she was unable to get ahead of them with her running.

It is only know that every runner is afraid of her telling the same lies about them and discrediting them the way she did Yegoroga that PR is able to finish minutes ahead of the other runners. Yes she has won "some" 10k's this year by MINUTES against other top runners. Which is so totally ridiculous.

That is why she needs to GET OUT of the sport. So the other runners can run free again and we can be rid of her.

Mr./Ms.Dunes;

Who is we? You obviously have an axe to grind vis-a-vis Radcliffe, maybe you are sleeping with Yegorova - who knows? I would like to credit Yegorova with a little more maturity than to be intimidated by anything Radcliffe may have implied in her stance from Edmonton. As another posted pointed out, why would Yegorova assume that it was directed at her, unless she had something to feel guilty about.

Few, if any, of us suspect Radcliffe because she has been a consistently developing runner for MANY years, beginning as a world champion in Cross as a Junior, and running 4th at Worlds the same year (3000m in 8.51 I believe). Whereas Yegorova came on the scene quite recently, and all of a sudden is running world class performances. Many of us who are interested in the sport become suspicious when this occurs.

You may be right that Yegorova's results were within the realms of the norm, but that doesn't alter the perception that there was a "smoking gun" surrounding the EPO test, which had nothing to do with Radcliffe - she didn't release the findings to the public! Given the number of positive tests recently (Saidi Sief,Mourhit, and now Boulami - not to mention Baumann, Slaney, etc. who have claimed innocence) suspicions will surround many elite runners, but particularly those whose career has been quick to develop - seemingly out of nowhere, or at least about whom little is known.

If you think that the sport is better off without Radcliffe, then you are in quite a minority in that thinking. I for one couldn't care less about Yegorova, but Radcliffe is enhancing the sport, particlarly in the Marathon, and has captured the admiration of many afficionados, moreso because of her identification as the "nearly" girl (constantly missing out on medals) of earlier years. Her time has come and most people believe that she has earned it, I can't say the same about Yegorova.

Steel -

Thank you for your reply.

The fact is that Yegorova did not come out of nowhere.

Her fastest 5000m time of 14:29 was on 11 seconds faster than the year before. PR who was accusing Yegorova of having improved so much had actually been slower than Yegorova the year before.

Steel, Yegorova did not at any time react to the PR animations. To the contrary she was calm and dignified at all times. Of course she knew about what PR was saying as it was in all the news reports and interviews.

And would you run a race without knowing the disposition and reactions of those in the stands. Yet in spite of that she smiled and waved to them.

The only thing PR adds to the sport is prejudice, greed, and bigotry. If that's what you like then have at her.

Personally I am NOT INTERESTED in anything she does -- PR would to best to bugger off and leave all the GOOD runners alone!

She said CHEATS OUT so she needs to take her own advice and GET OUT.

>>Wejo you are supposed to have a web site here. At least post the facts and not twist things around.

Did you remember who said this?Stop scattering wrong info.Your posts are full of wrong information,twisted facts,mind-boggling speculation ,and unrational acsusation or say your posts consist of them.If the sentence above is not joke or something,you have things to do,don't you?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/in_depth/2001/world_athletics/1469931.stm

And once again I say,normal range was her sample at world championship.

And B sample which was sabotajed by someone(reportedly Russian high official left alone with her sample) is a confirmation,because same testers test same urine samples.

And in her urine sample,she tested positive for EPO ,excessive EPO is found.

molfin -

Your message made no sense.

Yegorova's sample at Paris was not positive.

It was within the range for normal. When the small samples were done that set up the protocol there was a large area that overlapped between "normal" and "positive" for EPO.

Yegorova's sample was within that range of normal. That is why the guidelines were set up for further testing. To find out if it was really normal or positive.

In all tests her results were always in the range for normal.

They were never positive for EPO.

I asked wejo and ask everyone else if you have proof otherwise then provide it. But you can't do that because there is no proof otherwise than that the samples were normal.

That is what the IAAF found and that is why Yegorova was cleared.

They first put it on hold because of the news report from Paris. But that report was not right. So they rectified the situation.

Anyone who states otherwise -- unless you have some FACTS to back it up -- which you don't -- you don't know what you are talking about.

My memory and countless news I confirmed now are apparently different form your post.I have to wonder where you did get that info?Can't you please show me?Your post above is also full of wrong information.The article I showed said she tested positive for EPO.And none of other article said otherwise.O.K.I show .please wait.

Yeah,I agree with she came from nowhere.Actually Szabo who said she boycotted world championship 5000m if Yegorova is allowed to compete in 5000m said she was most afraid of Yegorova ,not Wami or Sonia or other runners.

But still I can't understand .

her improving at 5000m is 13sec,not 11.And main issue was her improving at 3000m (10sec).And of course 5000m is not helf often,so that's the reason it was not the issue,either.

And what was more suspicious was that fellow two Russians showed more suspicious improvments like Yego.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/in_depth/2001/world_athletics/1458509.stm

Is it enough?Actually there are hundreds of articles about this .

You can see all the news about this.

And B sample which was sabotajed by someone(reportedly Russian high official left alone with her sample) is a confirmation,because same testers test same urine samples.

And in her urine sample,she tested positive for EPO ,excessive EPO is found.

But the test normally requires blood sample.If there are many blood cell counts .They have to test EPO.But the test doesn't do blood test.Of course important tests are urine tests but I don't know why.It's the protocol done at sycling.Maybe the protocol is admitted in France.

molfin -

Yes Szabo was afraid of the competition too.

I am not interested in sensationalistic news reports or heresay.

If you have some facts showing levels of Yegorova compared to normal and compared to Radcliffe then post them here.

I would be interested to see them.

But again, the IAAF has looked at the tests and found them to be normal. So I believe that you or wejo or anyone else will not come up with anything.

Unless you do like Radcliffe and manufacture something out of nothing.

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What are you saying?I'm sure You found yourself strange.

Sorry,I don't know if among thousands of articles saying 'Yegorova tested positive for EPO' there are articles which show it or not let alone comparison with Radcliffe's sample.But I'll try,though I'm tired.

It is not here say ,it is just the fact the whole world except you know.

>>But again, the IAAF has looked at the tests and found them to be normal. So I believe that you or wejo or anyone else will not come up with anything.

And as you can see easily ,the none of us can find such very very importan info among the countless articles which said Yegorova tested positive for EPO'.Because there are not such facts.If you think otherwise ,as I said show me the proof.I even showed example you might mistook.It's your turn to show any of the article which confirm what you are saying.

Ah,sorry.

Szabo's comment was made before Sydney.I meant Szabo knew Yego was not an easy runner before 2001.

Sorry.I coudn't find.I'm probably not able to.

I remembered the news that Radcliffe revealed the data of the tests done to her,which means those information are not revealed normally.You see when Sief ,Mourhit tested positive ,there were not such data on the internet but you believe they tested positive,right?And among above articles there are comment of IAAF made when it allowed Yegorova to run ,and none of which said what you are saying,which lead me to the conclusion that you have mistaken the IAAF's anouncement that Her sample at worldchampionship was not tested positive .If you still say otherwise and deny thousands of articles written by decent news source which said Yegorova tested positive for EPO,you have to show damn articles or whatever.

Dunes Runner;

YOU are the problem, NOT Yegorova. It's not as if Radcliffe started the rumours and suspicions about Yegorova, which you seem to imply. Other runners also had strong suspicions, like Szabo.

Since you are the ONLY one on this board defending Yegorova,you are in the minority. As to Radcliffe, please explain in what way SHE has cheated? Expressing your opinion at worlds does not exactly constitute cheating! She has not had any disputed positive drug tests associated with her as has Yegorova. As well, since Yegorova is not racing as fast this year, as she did last year, I am sure that people (like me) assume that she is simply not taking EPO this year. No one is denying that Yegorova is a fine athlete, but did she really deserve the gold medal at worlds? I leave that to others to decide, however the smell of suspicion can be difficult to escape.

Fortunately, Radcliffe has proven how good she is over ALL surfaces this year. AND has done so while passing ALL drug tests. Maybe, just maybe, that is why Radcliffe is held in higher regard than Yegorova by the majority of the running world.

> molfin - If you still say otherwise and deny thousands of articles written by decent news source which said Yegorova tested positive for EPO,you have to show damn articles or whatever.

Decent news source, like this one of wejo's that slanders good runners with no proof?

The FACTS are that the "news" you speak of did not do the tests, they don't know the protocol of the tests, and they don't know the specific results of the tests.

The only ones who know these things, supposedly, are the testing agency and the IAAF -- which when they investigated found Olga Yegorova to be completely INNOCENT.

Also, as has been reported on the thread about Boulami, based on the protocol there are statistically going to be a high number of false positives. Which is increduous. It just proves the test is not credible in the first place.

However, regardless of that, Olga Yegorova has passed ALL of the tests.

She ran, she won, and she did it honorably.

>>The only ones who know these things, supposedly, are the testing agency and the IAAF -- which when they investigated found Olga Yegorova to be completely INNOCENT.

Then show it.You can't show .Because IAAF didn't say such things.

>>Also, as has been reported on the thread about Boulami, based on the protocol there are statistically going to be a high number of false positives. Which is increduous. It just proves the test is not credible in the first place.

What the hell is that?

And at least Yegorova's performance at World champhionship was proved not to be enhanced by EPO at least much .

>>Decent news source, like this one of wejo's that slanders good runners with no proof?

No .The anouncement made by IAAF.

How many times do I have to say.Innocent was her sample at World championship.

O.K.You may be right .It's useless.I asked you to show whatever the proof many times,and you are not listening and keep on saying ssme things.

Since it semms you are not able to find the anouncement made by IAAF which you claim to said that Yegorova's sample in Paris was not positive one,let's serch together I'll help you.

But before that please recollect wrong information,twised facts ,mind boggling speculation ,and unrational and rude accusations to athletes(if you admit.if not please tell me why).

So first I look at what you said about this .

you said

>>She did not test positive. Again you are repeating what PR said in the press -- but the IAAF is the official body, not PR, and the IAAF said OY's sample was within the range for NORMAL values. Which is NOT a postive test.

So you are saying all the articles saying that Yego tested positive for EPO in Pari was PR.And IAAF didn't say such things and said otherwise.

>>Your message made no sense.Yegorova's sample at Paris was not positive.It was within the range for normal. When the small samples were done that set up the protocol there was a large area that overlapped between "normal" and "positive" for EPO.Yegorova's sample was within that range of normal. That is why the guidelines were set up for further testing. To find out if it was really normal or positive.In all tests her results were always in the range for normal.They were never positive for EPO.

First I couldn't confirm any of the comments about Yegorova here.So we have to find out where you did get these information.

>>But again, the IAAF has looked at the tests and found them to be normal. So I believe that you or wejo or anyone else will not come up with anything.

So IAAF actually said Yegorova's sample in Paris was normal after they suspended her ,right?So this is very very important information.There must be articles which said this on the internet,right?

>>The only ones who know these things, supposedly, are the testing agency and the IAAF -- which when they investigated found Olga Yegorova to be completely INNOCENT.

Seems French federation is the one.IAAF didn't do tests.

>Also, as has been reported on the thread about Boulami, based on the protocol there are statistically going to be a high number of false positives. Which is increduous. It just proves the test is not credible in the first place.

Ah,I finally understood.Isn't is 95% logic,right?First it's not anything you want here.The posters only supposed 95% accurate,of course we don't even know what this means.Not practical logic .of course.Of course whatever this 95% means ,we know it's supposition.Please do not rely on such crap.

So,let's serch .But after I found normally,I couldn't get the article which confirmed any of the comment you made,So first,please give me hints.When did IAAF (or any of the article which confirm what you said ) said that ?When it allowed Yegorova to compete in 5000m?during World championship?or This year?spring august winter summer.Please give me hints.

And did anyeone here say Bauman and Slaney are denying ?Sief and Mourhit are denying of course.It's just the tradition.

Theres a lot of crap going down on this board, basically Yegorova did not fail the drug test, thats why she is still competing, her test should never have been made public as it was inacurate and the fault lay with the testing authority. Had this happened to radcliffe I feel the public response would have been very different due to her 'manufactured' public persona.

This is the probelm with the drug situation, Yegorova is a camera shy press avoiding athlete, much like many of the Eastern european athletes, Radcliffe does everything she possibly can to gain publicity, she is very cleverly managed, the EPO protest did far more for Radcliffe than it did for the sport, she keeps ranting on in the press about freezing samples taking any test anytime. But so what, as yet not one athlete who has been high profile has come out and said fair cop, I cheated and I was caught, and I'm not the only one doing it. Every time someone is nabbed its just denial, denial, denial, they know what they are doing, just like Radcliffe knows that the more she is seen to be anti drugs and anti 'cheating' then the public view of her will be very different. If after the Euro 10k she had left the track, done no press interviews and little publicity then the public suspicion would be very high, but because she comes out and gived her 'girl next door' approach interviews the public warm to her and couldn't possibly see her as a cheat.