Nah the real reason is that he can’t break 1:46. El G and Lagat closed a championship 1500m in 1:46 going 52-54. Jakob’s best 800m was a 52-54 split 1:46 with his brother basically pacing him for 700 meters.
I mean last year he ran 1:47 for 4th place the week before a 3:46 mile. He’s incredibly strong and efficient but just doesn’t have the top end speed sub 3:27 requires.
Lagat didnn’t have the speed either - naturally. Not even arguable.
I'm going to rank Ingebrigsten as a hard worker runner with accurate and efficient program of training. However he don't have the stride of a true freak:
Nah the real reason is that he can’t break 1:46. El G and Lagat closed a championship 1500m in 1:46 going 52-54. Jakob’s best 800m was a 52-54 split 1:46 with his brother basically pacing him for 700 meters.
I mean last year he ran 1:47 for 4th place the week before a 3:46 mile. He’s incredibly strong and efficient but just doesn’t have the top end speed sub 3:27 requires.
Lagat didnn’t have the speed either - naturally. Not even arguable.
Jakob is still slower there than Lagat. And Lagat ran his best time when there was no test for EPO.
I'm going to rank Ingebrigsten as a hard worker runner with accurate and efficient program of training. However he don't have the stride of a true freak:
I'm going to rank Ingebrigsten as a hard worker runner with accurate and efficient program of training. However he don't have the stride of a true freak:
I don't understand why people think Monaco is the only place you can run a fast 1,500. El G's 3:26 races were in Zurich (2x), Rome, Brussels, and Rieti. There is nothing magical about Monaco outside of good weather and the best athletes in peak form. They can do it somewhere else too
It wasn't the only place El G could have run fast, but it is the only place anyone can run fast these days.
Monaco is fast because of 2 things, first it has unusually long, less sharp turns, and second it is protected from wind pretty much all directions. Both are much bigger factors than you may realized.
If a perfect circle track were legal, you'd see a ton of records on it.
This doesn't make any sense. There is nothing different about these venues compared to when El G ran. People have a mental block with only running fast at Monaco, zero reason they couldn't do the exact same thing in one of these other places if you swapped places on the schedule. And El G ran Monaco every year so why wouldn't this supposed magic have applied to him to?
It wasn't the only place El G could have run fast, but it is the only place anyone can run fast these days.
Monaco is fast because of 2 things, first it has unusually long, less sharp turns, and second it is protected from wind pretty much all directions. Both are much bigger factors than you may realized.
If a perfect circle track were legal, you'd see a ton of records on it.
This doesn't make any sense. There is nothing different about these venues compared to when El G ran. People have a mental block with only running fast at Monaco, zero reason they couldn't do the exact same thing in one of these other places if you swapped places on the schedule. And El G ran Monaco every year so why wouldn't this supposed magic have applied to him to?
This doesn't make any sense. There is nothing different about these venues compared to when El G ran. People have a mental block with only running fast at Monaco, zero reason they couldn't do the exact same thing in one of these other places if you swapped places on the schedule. And El G ran Monaco every year so why wouldn't this supposed magic have applied to him to?
Didn't they tear down the Rieti track?
No idea, maybe. There isn't even a DL in Rieti anymore so its a moot point. Zurich was always considered the fastest race of the year when El G ran, this mythologizing of Monaco as the only place to run fast because its protected by wind is stupid.
El Guerrouj had Lagat and Morcelli as opponents, who were 3:26-3:27 runners.
They pushed each other limits.
Today there's no one to push Jakob's limits beyond a low 3:28 maybe high 3:27 if Tim really gets back in peak shape. He just doesn't need it to win anything he wants.
The only way for him to run under 3:27 would be to do a Cheptegei style WR event, but I doubt he's really interested to do that.
I think the mental part is huge. Jakob is in a comfortable place where he is right now in the 1500/mile, and he subconsciously knows it.
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El Guerrouj had Lagat and Morcelli as opponents, who were 3:26-3:27 runners.
They pushed each other limits.
Today there's no one to push Jakob's limits beyond a low 3:28 maybe high 3:27 if Tim really gets back in peak shape. He just doesn't need it to win anything he wants.
The only way for him to run under 3:27 would be to do a Cheptegei style WR event, but I doubt he's really interested to do that.
I think the mental part is huge. Jakob is in a comfortable place where he is right now in the 1500/mile, and he subconsciously knows it.
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To those who point a lack of speed, I looked back to the footage of is 800 record : the pacer splited a 52.54 400 and Jakob was in approximately 53, meaning he maintained the same speed throughout the whole 800. Also, considering the track was wet, it is clear that he could easily perform much better. Also, his outkicking Cheptegei, Katir and co. every now and then should be a give-away...
1) The pacing situation has to improve — Sowinski is an exemplary first pacer, but Jakob has to typically take over at 900 meters and run 600m from the front which is more than El Guerrouj had to. A second pacer that can take Jakob to the bell would help a lot on the margins.
2) Fewer Championships — Last year with two doubles at Europeans/Worlds it was not an ideal year for it. The next 4 and especially 2026 (with no Global Champs) should be a better spot.
3) Competition — While I don't think this is a massive factor, having Tim return to his old form would definitely help and if someone could emerge as a more consistent 3:28/29 runner to push Jakob in these races that would be a little boost.
He doesn't have the wheels. Remember that El G did workouts such as 12 x 300m @ 36s.
Hicham's lifetime best for the 800m was only 1:47.18 which is slower than Jakob's PB already so not having the wheels argument is flawed. Also Hicham was almost 24 when he ran 3:26:00 and similarly just shy of turning 27 when he ran his second fastest 3:26:12. Jakob doesn't even turn 23 until September. He's got a ton of time on his side to really attack the 1500m WR when he wants to.
He will in the heat of competition. Anyone who watched the Olympics saw that he had so much in reserve at the end, he could have run 3:27 low or 3:26 high that day and he could have been the only runner since Herb Elliott to run a world record 1500 in the Olympics. He ran a 3:31 at 17, 5 years ago. If he was all about time trial world records he cold get them. There was an episode of Team Ingebrigtsen, I think season 5 when Philip asked him about his love for running and Jacob emphasized the most important thing to him is competition. Beating people. Winning! He has that old Michael Jordan kind of mindset and he's had it since he was like 5 of 6. He's about competition not records. That is why he runs all the championships. For goodness gracious he ran the senior division of the World Championships in the 3k steeplechase when he was 15 or 16.
