OP, this is the type of response you get on LRC when anything bad happens at a religiously-affiliated university. You would get all kinds of support if you went to a secular university. To many posters here, all religious people are voodoo witch doctors.
How specifically are voodoo witch doctors fundamentally different from any religious "authorities"?
Yes and no. But it’s the proselytizing. Just like the evangelical work of a Christian, the OP posts stuff constantly that no one cares about but him and he’s certain that whatever he’s doing landmark journalism
This is 100% true. I work in d1 athletics on the sales and marketing side. I graduated from a d2 program that made the national meet multiple times. There is no reason to go to a d2 school now a days.
Yeah this is kind of messed up but seems true. Most d2 programs aren’t all that much better than an average or decent d3 school. In fact some are literally worse. The difference is that practically all d2 schools are small liberal arts colleges that are struggling with enrollment. And all the athletes are mediocre and went d2 bc they couldn’t pull d1 but wanted the clout
Uh the majority of the top 25 D2 athletic programs are at state schools. They are basically the same as D1 mid-major programs. No difference in the level of competition in most of the sports.
Unless you are a specialized (religious-affiliated for example) small school at either D1, D2, D3 of NAIA then you're in the same boat these days with enrollment challenges and costs.
OP, this is the type of response you get on LRC when anything bad happens at a religiously-affiliated university. You would get all kinds of support if you went to a secular university. To many posters here, all religious people are voodoo witch doctors.
How specifically are voodoo witch doctors fundamentally different from any religious "authorities"?
I just checked the Mayor's Cup points for Cross Country (Track and Field is not a Sunshine State Conference sport) and it affirms what you are saying. They typically score 6 to 9 points and it is one of the most successful teams in the department, for both men and women.
If they were cut for performance, the whole department should be cut.
The men's and women's swim teams, on the other hand, are not competitive.
One of the challenges for Cross Country/Track is that Track is not a conference sport, so there is no title to win and no points to be scored for the Mayor's Cup. Nova Southeastern competed in the Peach Belt Conference in Track for a number of years but have dropped that and are now "distance only" for Track.
Here's a good breakdown of the team accomplishments;
Men’s Cross Country
- 4 Sunshine State Conference Championships (2014, 2015, 2015, 2019)
- Sunshine State Conference All-Decade Honors (2010-19), Coach of the Decade, Kent Reiber
- Sunshine State Conference All-Decade Honors (2010-19), Runner of the Decade, Ronald Cheserek
- Sunshine State Conference Champions: Carl Dunne (2013), Niclas Bez (2014), Valentin Lenz (2015), Ronald Cheserek (2016, 2017), Shane Bracken (2019), Arthur Cosson (2022)
- Sunshine State Conference Runner of the Year: Carl Dunne (2013), Niclas Bez (2014), Valentin Lenz (2015), Ronald Cheserek (2016, 2017), Shane Bracken (2019)
- Sunshine State Conference Freshman of the Year: Carl Dunne (2012), Anthony Deleva (2014), Ronald Cheserek (2016),
- Sunshine State Conference Coach of the Year: Melissa Mangen (2014), Kent Reiber (2015, 2016, 2019)
- NCAA DII South Region Championships: 3rd in 2019, 3rd in 2017, 2nd in 2016, 1st in 2015, 2nd in 2014, 3rd in 2013
The futures of dozens of St. Leo University student-athletes and coaches are up in the air after the school announced this week it's cutting four sports teams amid a series of cost-savings decisions.
Earlier this week, Saint Leo University, a Division Two school located in Florida, announced that they will be "discontinue" their men's and women's cross country and track and field teams at the conclusion of the current spr...
The Lions produced names such as Sintayehu Vissa and Shane Bracken, two middle distance standouts who later attended Ole Miss.
Vissa is now a professional distance runner for On while Bracken has evolved into one of the Rebels' top milers, running 3:57 for the distance multiple times.
Tough to feel the loss of a program that put so much of its resources into importing faraway talent to be barely competitive rather than focus on doing a better job of developing more local runners. Sorry Fuller, but personal relevance doesn't translate to general relevance. I do hope those Euro runners find soft landing spots with Euro clubs and at Euro universities.
Up front, I know absolutely nothing about St. Leo and this situation. But I have experience at the DI mid-major level as well as DIII.
You listed their athletic accomplishments as though the AD, president, board, and community care much about this. They care about academic reputation but more about how ingrained they are in the school.
Does the coach volunteer for things around campus? Would the president know him/her if they saw them? Does he/she get the team involved in activities? Do they fundraise to cover "some" costs even if it is warm-ups, shoes, equipment - less to offset costs although that is good, but more to show your involvement and worth. Does the coach get the team into the community in many ways including inviting them to a grill out at a meet? Do they work with admissions to target particular student demographics? It goes on and on and it is not like I know all the buttons that need pushed at each school.
But most coaches do not see that as part of the job and want to hide in their office writing workouts and recruiting only. Unless a power-5, and even them, need to promote the program constantly and not be caught by surprise if it is being considered for the chopping block. Make your program indispensable to everyone from admissions, president, AD, regents, community....
Again, I know nothing about St. Leo and how ingrained the program is/was. I am using this situation to vent about how many coaches drop the ball in these situations long before it comes to the fore.
Up front, I know absolutely nothing about St. Leo and this situation. But I have experience at the DI mid-major level as well as DIII.
You listed their athletic accomplishments as though the AD, president, board, and community care much about this. They care about academic reputation but more about how ingrained they are in the school.
Does the coach volunteer for things around campus? Would the president know him/her if they saw them? Does he/she get the team involved in activities? Do they fundraise to cover "some" costs even if it is warm-ups, shoes, equipment - less to offset costs although that is good, but more to show your involvement and worth. Does the coach get the team into the community in many ways including inviting them to a grill out at a meet? Do they work with admissions to target particular student demographics? It goes on and on and it is not like I know all the buttons that need pushed at each school.
But most coaches do not see that as part of the job and want to hide in their office writing workouts and recruiting only. Unless a power-5, and even them, need to promote the program constantly and not be caught by surprise if it is being considered for the chopping block. Make your program indispensable to everyone from admissions, president, AD, regents, community....
Again, I know nothing about St. Leo and how ingrained the program is/was. I am using this situation to vent about how many coaches drop the ball in these situations long before it comes to the fore.
The team raises money for nearly everything to include travel, meets, clothing, and even into scholarships. The team also doesn't get any shoes, equipment, or, even a track or locker room.
The university also just got a new President, so that's a wash.
The Athletic Department was all over the team while they were in season and hosting the National Championships too.
In November the athletic department did it's annual Lions Legacy, each sport asked for donations from former athletes and graduates of Saint Leo. That money was raised for the athletic department... Saint Leo mentioned that this past year they raised over $132,000.Where did that money go? If people donated to a specific program and you’re cutting that program, what the university doing with that money?
It's worth noting that the total expenses (including athletic aid) for both Men’s and Women’s T&F totaled $78,000 in 2021. For comparison golf, a much smaller program, had $453,000 in total expenses.
Meanwhile, Saint Leo University is sponsoring an Tumbling, Acrobatics, and Gymnastics team that doesn't even complete in the NCAA. Odd move to funneling money into a non-NCAA competing sport while eliminating an multiple NCAA sports.
How specifically are voodoo witch doctors fundamentally different from any religious "authorities"?
False religions don't disprove the true Faith.
How do you know - KNOW - that there are false religions and "true faith". And as an aside, your statement makes no sense - a person can have complete faith in something whether that something is true or not. You, for example.
Up front, I know absolutely nothing about St. Leo and this situation. But I have experience at the DI mid-major level as well as DIII.
You listed their athletic accomplishments as though the AD, president, board, and community care much about this. They care about academic reputation but more about how ingrained they are in the school.
Does the coach volunteer for things around campus? Would the president know him/her if they saw them? Does he/she get the team involved in activities? Do they fundraise to cover "some" costs even if it is warm-ups, shoes, equipment - less to offset costs although that is good, but more to show your involvement and worth. Does the coach get the team into the community in many ways including inviting them to a grill out at a meet? Do they work with admissions to target particular student demographics? It goes on and on and it is not like I know all the buttons that need pushed at each school.
But most coaches do not see that as part of the job and want to hide in their office writing workouts and recruiting only. Unless a power-5, and even them, need to promote the program constantly and not be caught by surprise if it is being considered for the chopping block. Make your program indispensable to everyone from admissions, president, AD, regents, community....
Again, I know nothing about St. Leo and how ingrained the program is/was. I am using this situation to vent about how many coaches drop the ball in these situations long before it comes to the fore.
Up front, I know absolutely nothing about St. Leo and this situation. But I have experience at the DI mid-major level as well as DIII.
You listed their athletic accomplishments as though the AD, president, board, and community care much about this. They care about academic reputation but more about how ingrained they are in the school.
Does the coach volunteer for things around campus? Would the president know him/her if they saw them? Does he/she get the team involved in activities? Do they fundraise to cover "some" costs even if it is warm-ups, shoes, equipment - less to offset costs although that is good, but more to show your involvement and worth. Does the coach get the team into the community in many ways including inviting them to a grill out at a meet? Do they work with admissions to target particular student demographics? It goes on and on and it is not like I know all the buttons that need pushed at each school.
But most coaches do not see that as part of the job and want to hide in their office writing workouts and recruiting only. Unless a power-5, and even them, need to promote the program constantly and not be caught by surprise if it is being considered for the chopping block. Make your program indispensable to everyone from admissions, president, AD, regents, community....
Again, I know nothing about St. Leo and how ingrained the program is/was. I am using this situation to vent about how many coaches drop the ball in these situations long before it comes to the fore.
The team raises money for nearly everything to include travel, meets, clothing, and even into scholarships. The team also doesn't get any shoes, equipment, or, even a track or locker room.
The university also just got a new President, so that's a wash.
The Athletic Department was all over the team while they were in season and hosting the National Championships too.
In November the athletic department did it's annual Lions Legacy, each sport asked for donations from former athletes and graduates of Saint Leo. That money was raised for the athletic department... Saint Leo mentioned that this past year they raised over $132,000.Where did that money go? If people donated to a specific program and you’re cutting that program, what the university doing with that money?
It's worth noting that the total expenses (including athletic aid) for both Men’s and Women’s T&F totaled $78,000 in 2021. For comparison golf, a much smaller program, had $453,000 in total expenses.
Meanwhile, Saint Leo University is sponsoring an Tumbling, Acrobatics, and Gymnastics team that doesn't even complete in the NCAA. Odd move to funneling money into a non-NCAA competing sport while eliminating an multiple NCAA sports.
These numbers are very misleading. In 2022 Cross Country expenses were $394,000 and track was $99,000. All of the scholarship money is counted under cross country. The total XCTF expenses were still slightly less than golf which was $536,000.
How specifically are voodoo witch doctors fundamentally different from any religious "authorities"?
False religions don't disprove the true Faith.
Faith - by definition - has nothing to do with facts, so can't be disproved - or proved. Calling a religion false is merely expressing a non-fact based opinion with nothing whatsoever to back it up.
Fuller, stop trying to make Saint Leo “fetch.” It’s obvious you’re invested and think it’s the best ever because it’s what you were a part of. But SLU isn’t that great. The accomplishments listed are trash. How few All-Americans? And from how few athletes? You brought up athletes who weren’t doing much for D2, then transferred to SEC and got leaps and bounds better. That doesn’t make Kent’s program look good nor worth saving. Less is more. No one on this board, let alone the SLU board gives a crap about “freshman of the year” awards or NCAA appearances. Where is the hardware?
It appears to be a distance only team loaded with Europeans on their roster. Roster size is small since they have no sprinters and no throwers. I wonder how many of the Euros are on scholarship.
If a University is to prepare their graduates for a successful career, it must include sports programs. Almost every prospective employer wants to see graduates who show incentive beyond just classroom learning. Being active in sports, including running, shows that an individual is motivated to go beyond and above, and they are willing to take on challenges that others may not. There is certainly a degree of "team effort" which every employer wants to see in a resume.
