What could drew hunter do different to be competitive to make teams

Jack Parker wrote:

running2begood wrote:

He seems like a good guy with a kind heart and it’s hard seeing him constantly fail and fail and fail. Everytime it looks like he’s starting to pick up steam he fails again. It’s sad to see such a promising prospect never win. Every time he steps on that line to race I could bet my house he will not win. What could he do different to change this?

He could join a real team. I don't think he is doing the necessary work to reach World Class level, his workouts are just simply not hard enough looking at Strava. Its night and day listening to some of his peers like Grant Fisher talk about how he would get back from BTC workouts and just pass out on the floor he was so exhausted. The Tinman "keep the ball rolling" philosophy is great up to a certain level, but at some point you need to go all in and go for broke.

shootpost wrote:

Luckily Drew posts all his workouts to strava and I follow them very closely. My conclusion is he is an insane talent. It is amazing how well he runs based on what he does. His training is what you would expect from a 14-14:30 guy.

Go through his strava. It is a bunch of 5:00ish threshold and mile pace 200s. Which are fine to get good, but it just lacks the raw intensity to get great. Look at the most succesful groups in the US right now- BTC and On, they are known for absolutely brutal workouts. This was always my criticism of Tinmans training, at some point you need to do the brutal fast fast work to really make the jump.

The problem is not the trainign thought. Drew can not workout very hard/high mileage (in comparison to his peers) without getting hurt. He has been running 80 mpw the last months and this is the most mileage he has ever run.

I think the answer is to just keep what he is doing but try not to get hurt and miss months at a time. He obviously has insane talent still but regardless of who you are if you miss 2-3 months every year you won't be great.

I (like many others) believe switching groups would be a great move. But if he gets injured immediately there is no point.

Simple As wrote:

shootpost wrote:

Luckily Drew posts all his workouts to strava and I follow them very closely. My conclusion is he is an insane talent. It is amazing how well he runs based on what he does. His training is what you would expect from a 14-14:30 guy.

Go through his strava. It is a bunch of 5:00ish threshold and mile pace 200s. Which are fine to get good, but it just lacks the raw intensity to get great. Look at the most succesful groups in the US right now- BTC and On, they are known for absolutely brutal workouts. This was always my criticism of Tinmans training, at some point you need to do the brutal fast fast work to really make the jump.

The problem is not the trainign thought. Drew can not workout very hard/high mileage (in comparison to his peers) without getting hurt. He has been running 80 mpw the last months and this is the most mileage he has ever run.

I think the answer is to just keep what he is doing but try not to get hurt and miss months at a time. He obviously has insane talent still but regardless of who you are if you miss 2-3 months every year you won't be great.

I (like many others) believe switching groups would be a great move. But if he gets injured immediately there is no point.

Most of the On team are on Strava. None of the workouts they do seem that hard given their performances. Nothing that Joe Klecker does indicates a 12:54. Nothing Monson does indicates an AR in the 3k. This fall, they’ve just done fartleks, tempos/threshold and some mile pace 200s + hills. They did like 4 semi-hard workouts before racing indoors.