On that day, EK would have won for sure, but he was not consistently at the level he was at the 2003 wc, ie he never again won a global gold in the 5000, though he was close and he often found himself up against KB, and later, Lagat. I think EK in his prime versus JI would be a close race and might break either way depending on the day. JI would certainly win a few.
There is no way Jakob is going for a 5/10 double this year and he probably never will. The best in the world equals “good”?
I didn't say he will run the 10 this year. I agree that likely he will not. But if he did, I would consider him to be a contender.
I went back and reread your post and you seem to say he could win the WC 10000m this year if he chose to. My opinion is that the defending Olympic champion in the 1500m is a 15/5 guy and not 5/10. Losing to a very fast 800/1500m guy by .29 seconds last year in the WC doesn’t mean he’ll have to move up to the 10000m someday.
Because it’s not an answer to the OP’s question. It’s essentially the same as answering “Who would win a 5k, Emmanuel Korir or Seth James DeMoor?” with “Neither - Kiplimo would beat them both.”
Jakob, and it wouldn't be close. I wouldn't back Kipchoge to run much quicker ran 27:30. He has the best engine in distance running, but he's no longer built for any sort of speed.
Kipchoge has run 4:37 pace for 26.2 miles but you think he would struggle to run a 27:30 which is 4:25 a mile? Kipchoge is not the first strength runner that has competed in the marathon and the typical difference in 10000/marathon mile pace is 25 seconds. If Kipchoge could manage 20 seconds, he would be capable of about 26:40 if in marathon WR shape.
Kipchoge is 40. He ran 27:11 in his last year as a track runner and I'm certain he's slowed down in the 10 years since then. The gap between your 10k and marathon pace closes a lot as you get older, even for supermen like Kipchoge. Just look at what a few years away from the track did to Mo Farah when he tried to make his comeback.
No doubt Jakob would win. With a bit of focused training Jakob could easily run a 26:20-26:30. There is no way Kipchoge could get down to those kinds of times at this point in his career.
No doubt Jakob would win. With a bit of focused training Jakob could easily run a 26:20-26:30. There is no way Kipchoge could get down to those kinds of times at this point in his career.
Even if Kipchoge could run those times or faster there’s no realistic scenario where Kipchoge wins a 1v1. Best case scenario for Kipchoge, he’s no more than 10 seconds faster over a 10k than Jakob. But in a race, that doesn’t really matter.
What’s Kipchoge going to do? If he leads the whole time, he’s just acting like a pacer and letting Jakob coast until the last few laps where Jakob is obviously going to be better suited to finish the race closer to his potential. If Jakob leads, he could just set the pace really slow, making it a kicker’s race, which Jakob would also easily win. No matter how you spin it, Jakob would win a head to head scenario between the two.
I think that Jakob in top form would have a chance to outright win an Olympic or WC 10k. Kipchoge? Nah. I don't think it would be close between Jakob and Kipchoge in a 10k. A half marathon would be interesting though.
I went back and reread your post and you seem to say he could win the WC 10000m this year if he chose to. My opinion is that the defending Olympic champion in the 1500m is a 15/5 guy and not 5/10. Losing to a very fast 800/1500m guy by .29 seconds last year in the WC doesn’t mean he’ll have to move up to the 10000m someday.
I mean... I'm not sure if you're trying to make an argument against what I said, but I agree with what you're saying, lol. I do think it's conceivable that one day he might try for the 10000 if the WC or Olympics made it possible. This dude is 22 and already has 1500 gold and 5000 gold. He's legacy building.
Kipchoge has run 4:37 pace for 26.2 miles but you think he would struggle to run a 27:30 which is 4:25 a mile? Kipchoge is not the first strength runner that has competed in the marathon and the typical difference in 10000/marathon mile pace is 25 seconds. If Kipchoge could manage 20 seconds, he would be capable of about 26:40 if in marathon WR shape.
Kipchoge is 40. He ran 27:11 in his last year as a track runner and I'm certain he's slowed down in the 10 years since then. The gap between your 10k and marathon pace closes a lot as you get older, even for supermen like Kipchoge. Just look at what a few years away from the track did to Mo Farah when he tried to make his comeback.
He also ran an 8:07 2-mile the same year as the 27:11. Carlos Lopes ran 27:18 as a 37-year old and 2:07:13 less than a year later which is a 28 seconds difference in mile pace. He was certainly strong and old.
What you’re suggesting is not possible for human beings, not even Kipchoge.
I went back and reread your post and you seem to say he could win the WC 10000m this year if he chose to. My opinion is that the defending Olympic champion in the 1500m is a 15/5 guy and not 5/10. Losing to a very fast 800/1500m guy by .29 seconds last year in the WC doesn’t mean he’ll have to move up to the 10000m someday.
I mean... I'm not sure if you're trying to make an argument against what I said, but I agree with what you're saying, lol. I do think it's conceivable that one day he might try for the 10000 if the WC or Olympics made it possible. This dude is 22 and already has 1500 gold and 5000 gold. He's legacy building.
I consider him to be 1500/5000m and he is capable of winning gold at those distances and the Steeple but I don’t believe he could ever medal at the 10000m. Aouita might have been close but he ran his 27:26 before the wave of East-Africans took huge chunks of time off of the 10000m WR.
Rupps speed was gone by the time 2016 rolled around, so the trials in 2021 and him making it as far as he did was impressive. Kipchoge would fair a little bit better than that.