All faster than Hobbs Kessler. He wouldn’t even make their DMR team!
It's a bit sad, but the only thing that counts for a us pro in 2023 is how they do at us trials and worlds. Kessler could run a 4:39 rust buster with no impact on his earnings. This is why we never see Fisher, Jager, Mu, Syd etc outside of the bare minimum of competions.
Please lay out your numbers. I say that Kessler will have $2M invested by the time the Stanford guys enter the workforce assuming they go pro for a few years making 1/3 what he is making. He will have $3M invested by the time he retired from running. He will average 7% per year for life from that or about $200K.
Please lay out your numbers. I say that Kessler will have $2M invested by the time the Stanford guys enter the workforce assuming they go pro for a few years making 1/3 what he is making. He will have $3M invested by the time he retired from running. He will average 7% per year for life from that or about $200K.
Stanford guy has no clue
i know Kesslers Training specifically and talk to Ronnie at least once a week
There is no sharpening going on yet
all strength and volume
Stanford Rules is a homer , so am I
Big difference is that I know the facts as it pertains to Kessler since before he ran 3:57 Indoors at 17
For the record, I just want what’s best for Kessler, and the results from last year and this year suggest to me that he’d be better off competing for Stanford or NAU.
To everyone bringing money into this, he could have a NIL deal and still compete collegiately, so that’s a moot point.
As for what I know, I know that 3 Stanford guys ran faster than Kessler yesterday, and I know that Kessler has failed to improve on his 1500 best time since skipping the NCAA to turn pro. Seems relevant.
If you know so much, riddle me this: how can Kessler possibly make the USA team for this year’s world championships in Budapest if at this moment he’s not even fast enough to make Stanford’s DMR team??
For the record, I just want what’s best for Kessler, and the results from last year and this year suggest to me that he’d be better off competing for Stanford or NAU.
To everyone bringing money into this, he could have a NIL deal and still compete collegiately, so that’s a moot point.
As for what I know, I know that 3 Stanford guys ran faster than Kessler yesterday, and I know that Kessler has failed to improve on his 1500 best time since skipping the NCAA to turn pro. Seems relevant.
If you know so much, riddle me this: how can Kessler possibly make the USA team for this year’s world championships in Budapest if at this moment he’s not even fast enough to make Stanford’s DMR team??
Multiple top U20 marks as he adjusted to being a pro
After Allan Webb had his breakout 3:53 year the next year was a lot of up and down, Jim Ryun talked about races where he ran 4:10 and just wanted to hide with shame. If some of the best have been in similar growing pains situations as Kessler and came out okay, he can too.
Why have you been dozening down on stupid? They weren't even in the same race, and Kessler won his race. You are probably the type that believes Centro winning the Olympic gold isn't valid because he won in 3:50.
Why have you been dozening down on stupid? They weren't even in the same race, and Kessler won his race. You are probably the type that believes Centro winning the Olympic gold isn't valid because he won in 3:50.
False. I celebrated Centro’s victory when it happened, and I hold him up today as the model for how to develop milers in the US. Centro’s success was made possible by his wise decision to develop by running in the NCAA. Kessler should do the same if he aspires to have the same achievements as Centro.
Multiple top U20 marks as he adjusted to being a pro
After Allan Webb had his breakout 3:53 year the next year was a lot of up and down, Jim Ryun talked about races where he ran 4:10 and just wanted to hide with shame. If some of the best have been in similar growing pains situations as Kessler and came out okay, he can too.
Probably not a good idea to bring up Alan Webb, who struggled while running for the same coach that Kessler has now!
I also don’t care about U20 marks. I only care about improvement. So far as a professional Kessler has not improved in the 1500. Call me if he does. I won’t hold my breath.
last year Jager was on the couch in January and still made world team
Centro was famous for 4:10 in January, 3:49 in september
you don't try to pr in every race
I’m not asking for a PR in every race. I’m asking for at least one PR in the 1500. Kessler has been a pro for a year and a half, and we haven’t seen him PR in the 1500. All I see are weak excuses.
For the record, I just want what’s best for Kessler, and the results from last year and this year suggest to me that he’d be better off competing for Stanford or NAU.
To everyone bringing money into this, he could have a NIL deal and still compete collegiately, so that’s a moot point.
As for what I know, I know that 3 Stanford guys ran faster than Kessler yesterday, and I know that Kessler has failed to improve on his 1500 best time since skipping the NCAA to turn pro. Seems relevant.
If you know so much, riddle me this: how can Kessler possibly make the USA team for this year’s world championships in Budapest if at this moment he’s not even fast enough to make Stanford’s DMR team??
You're an idiot. Kessler's not looking to peak in 2 months for indoors, the Stanford guys are. Plus, can we see some splits if you're going to compare the two races? Kessler closed in 56, what did the Stanford guys close in?
It’s much easier to coach a high schooler to PR than someone who is college age. Just about anyone can coach a high school kid to PR. Look at Gary Martin’s high school coach! Do you really think Martin should have turned pro right after high school to keep training with his high school coach??
Multiple top U20 marks as he adjusted to being a pro
After Allan Webb had his breakout 3:53 year the next year was a lot of up and down, Jim Ryun talked about races where he ran 4:10 and just wanted to hide with shame. If some of the best have been in similar growing pains situations as Kessler and came out okay, he can too.
Probably not a good idea to bring up Alan Webb, who struggled while running for the same coach that Kessler has now!
I also don’t care about U20 marks. I only care about improvement. So far as a professional Kessler has not improved in the 1500. Call me if he does. I won’t hold my breath.
Webb was a brilliant talent, but an utter flitwit when it came to bouncing from coach to coach. He barely gave Warhurst's program nine months. Meanwhile Willis stayed patient and won Olympic gold (Kiprop being completely invalidated).
All faster than Hobbs Kessler. He wouldn’t even make their DMR team!
It's a bit sad, but the only thing that counts for a us pro in 2023 is how they do at us trials and worlds. Kessler could run a 4:39 rust buster with no impact on his earnings. This is why we never see Fisher, Jager, Mu, Syd etc outside of the bare minimum of competions.
I’d encourage you not to believe everything that you hear, and especially the narrative that you’ve convinced yourself of. Not all contracts are constructed the same.
You're an idiot. Kessler's not looking to peak in 2 months for indoors, the Stanford guys are. Plus, can we see some splits if you're going to compare the two races? Kessler closed in 56, what did the Stanford guys close in?
What a stupid question. I would hope someone can close faster if they ran the first 3 laps slower. Pretty basic concept, pal.
There is no medal or consolation prize for someone who finishes fourth and has the fastest close. The only thing that matters is finishing time. 3 Stanford runners ran the mile yesterday faster than Kessler. You can make all the excuses you want but facts are facts.
You're an idiot. Kessler's not looking to peak in 2 months for indoors, the Stanford guys are. Plus, can we see some splits if you're going to compare the two races? Kessler closed in 56, what did the Stanford guys close in?
What a stupid question. I would hope someone can close faster if they ran the first 3 laps slower. Pretty basic concept, pal.
There is no medal or consolation prize for someone who finishes fourth and has the fastest close. The only thing that matters is finishing time. 3 Stanford runners ran the mile yesterday faster than Kessler. You can make all the excuses you want but facts are facts.
I'm not debating that fact, however, the split differential indicates whether or not they could have run faster. Unless of course, you think that Centro and the rest of the field couldn't have run faster than 3:50 that summer day in 2016.
It's a bit sad, but the only thing that counts for a us pro in 2023 is how they do at us trials and worlds. Kessler could run a 4:39 rust buster with no impact on his earnings. This is why we never see Fisher, Jager, Mu, Syd etc outside of the bare minimum of competions.
I’d encourage you not to believe everything that you hear, and especially the narrative that you’ve convinced yourself of. Not all contracts are constructed the same.
I've never seen a pro contract that said
1 - athlete must pr in January of world/Olympic yr
2 - athlete must refrain from running slow when returning from injury or base building training phase
For the record, I just want what’s best for Kessler, and the results from last year and this year suggest to me that he’d be better off competing for Stanford or NAU.
To everyone bringing money into this, he could have a NIL deal and still compete collegiately, so that’s a moot point.
As for what I know, I know that 3 Stanford guys ran faster than Kessler yesterday, and I know that Kessler has failed to improve on his 1500 best time since skipping the NCAA to turn pro. Seems relevant.
If you know so much, riddle me this: how can Kessler possibly make the USA team for this year’s world championships in Budapest if at this moment he’s not even fast enough to make Stanford’s DMR team??
So because he doesn't run a PB after one year (with injuries) he should completely change his training situation ???
Going to Stanford or NAU makes no sense for Hobbs:
- The stanford or NAU coaches have never coached someone to a 3:29 1500 / Olympic Bronze. - The stanford/NAU MD groups are not as strong as the VNTC
- His current coach has got him to 1:46/2:16/3:34, making him the fastest U20 north american ever
You are putting WAY too much stock into January performances. Do you know what Jake Wightman ran in January 2022 ? A 7:50 3k ...