Travis Tygart speaks on Shelby H, RUSADA, are tests getting too sensitive, and more.

casual obsever wrote:

But I should also say that it was quite a coup for you to get Tygart in a one-on-one interview for 75 minutes. Good for you!

I would disagree however that the biggest ban story for American T&F in the last two years was Houlihan. That questionable honor should either go to
- McNeal, who got a five year ban as the reigning Olympic champ, and was earlier banned by USADA for too many missed tests, or
- Coleman, who got banned as the reigning World champ over 100 m, as that is one of the key events, and that after USADA's provisional ban that they rescinded just before Worlds that he won.

Compared to those two, Houlihan hasn't shown much on the global level at all.

Finally, questions about USADA's questionable history of both warning and courtesy calls before and during attempted ooc tests could have been quite informative. Did you try those, and he shut them down?

XY wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

But I should also say that it was quite a coup for you to get Tygart in a one-on-one interview for 75 minutes. Good for you!

I would disagree however that the biggest ban story for American T&F in the last two years was Houlihan. That questionable honor should either go to
- McNeal, who got a five year ban as the reigning Olympic champ, and was earlier banned by USADA for too many missed tests, or
- Coleman, who got banned as the reigning World champ over 100 m, as that is one of the key events, and that after USADA's provisional ban that they rescinded just before Worlds that he won.

Compared to those two, Houlihan hasn't shown much on the global level at all.

Finally, questions about USADA's questionable history of both warning and courtesy calls before and during attempted ooc tests could have been quite informative. Did you try those, and he shut them down?

The biggest bust the last two years, in terms of global attention, was unquestionably Sha'carri.

casual obsever wrote:

His nibbs wrote:

Travis says he thinks supplements may have been to blame.

And he said that the levels of SH were within those found in supplements and drug enhanced meat.

Is he a liar?

In theory, he would be correct. But in this particular case:

1) No one claimed she ate "drug enhanced meat".

2) No one claimed the supplements contained the PED.

3) The doper claimed to only have used calcium and vitamins, that do not contain steroids. Those may be found in dubious anti-aging creams and the like, not calcium tablets.

4) The doper claimed to have tested her still existing supplements - all were negative of course.

5) The doper also claimed that she tested negative on 11/22, so the supplements that were used then and emptied between December and Januar did not contain nandro either.

The above explains why the drug cheat went with the ridiculo beef burrito aka pork stomach burrito story instead of with the supplement excuse.

Tygart appeared to have been unaware of her supplement analyses. In any case, he did agree in that podcast despite the leading questions that

"The Athletics Integrity Unit that handled it did exactly what they were supposed to do under the rules"

and

"The CAS decision I think in the Houlihan case does a really good job of analyzing the facts and the data and the evidence"

casual obsever wrote:

His nibbs wrote:

Travis says he thinks supplements may have been to blame.

And he said that the levels of SH were within those found in supplements and drug enhanced meat.

Is he a liar?

In theory, he would be correct. But in this particular case:

1) No one claimed she ate "drug enhanced meat".

2) No one claimed the supplements contained the PED.

3) The doper claimed to only have used calcium and vitamins, that do not contain steroids. Those may be found in dubious anti-aging creams and the like, not calcium tablets.

4) The doper claimed to have tested her still existing supplements - all were negative of course.

5) The doper also claimed that she tested negative on 11/22, so the supplements that were used then and emptied between December and Januar did not contain nandro either.

The above explains why the drug cheat went with the ridiculo beef burrito aka pork stomach burrito story instead of with the supplement excuse.

Tygart appeared to have been unaware of her supplement analyses. In any case, he did agree in that podcast despite the leading questions that

"The Athletics Integrity Unit that handled it did exactly what they were supposed to do under the rules"

and

"The CAS decision I think in the Houlihan case does a really good job of analyzing the facts and the data and the evidence"

January 15th:

-We think the burrito consumed the night before the test is the potential source.

January 20th:
-Receive email from private investigator: Burritos were purchased at 6:58 pm PST. They were
photographed and meats packaged as instructed and put in the freezer. The meats will ship to the lab tomorrow morning via UPS express same day and should arrive tomorrow afternoon.

January 21st:
-All vitamins and supplements sent to the lab for testing.

-Private Investigator sent us pictures and videos of the burritos purchased from the food truck.

February 3rd:
-Receive update from Private Investigator: He got a statement from the wife and purchase invoices from the food truck owner for December 2020.

February 4th:

-Receive update from Private Investigator: He spoke with the food truck owner again and submitted a document with the answers to all of our questions.

February 19th:
-Private investigator found that 30lbs of pork stomach was purchased and was produced by
IBP (Iowa Beef Processors), which is a subsidiary of Tyson Foods

February 23rd:
-Received results from SMRTL lab. Everything is negative for nandrolone, including all
the supplements I ingested in the lead up to the test on 15 December 2020 . But since the burritos purchased in January were from an entirely different shipment of meat, it unfortunately did not tell us anything about whether the meat I ate in December contained nandrolone.

casual obsever wrote:

Maybe because I went through her published statements and he didn't? Ask Tygart.

See also, again, letsrun's editing after Tucker's comment on the supplement on letsrun's very own home page.

January 15th:

-We think the burrito consumed the night before the test is the potential source.

January 20th:
-Receive email from private investigator: Burritos were purchased at 6:58 pm PST. They were
photographed and meats packaged as instructed and put in the freezer. The meats will ship to the lab tomorrow morning via UPS express same day and should arrive tomorrow afternoon.

January 21st:
-All vitamins and supplements sent to the lab for testing.

-Private Investigator sent us pictures and videos of the burritos purchased from the food truck.

February 3rd:
-Receive update from Private Investigator: He got a statement from the wife and purchase invoices from the food truck owner for December 2020.

February 4th:

-Receive update from Private Investigator: He spoke with the food truck owner again and submitted a document with the answers to all of our questions.

February 19th:
-Private investigator found that 30lbs of pork stomach was purchased and was produced by
IBP (Iowa Beef Processors), which is a subsidiary of Tyson Foods

February 23rd:
-Received results from SMRTL lab. Everything is negative for nandrolone, including all
the supplements I ingested in the lead up to the test on 15 December 2020 . But since the burritos purchased in January were from an entirely different shipment of meat, it unfortunately did not tell us anything about whether the meat I ate in December contained nandrolone.

Oh look, they only found pork stomach, not kidneys, surprise!

casual obsever wrote:

Maybe because I went through her published statements and he didn't? Ask Tygart.

See also, again, letsrun's editing after Tucker's comment on the supplement on letsrun's very own home page.

January 15th:

-We think the burrito consumed the night before the test is the potential source.

January 20th:
-Receive email from private investigator: Burritos were purchased at 6:58 pm PST. They were
photographed and meats packaged as instructed and put in the freezer. The meats will ship to the lab tomorrow morning via UPS express same day and should arrive tomorrow afternoon.

January 21st:
-All vitamins and supplements sent to the lab for testing.

-Private Investigator sent us pictures and videos of the burritos purchased from the food truck.

February 3rd:
-Receive update from Private Investigator: He got a statement from the wife and purchase invoices from the food truck owner for December 2020.

February 4th:

-Receive update from Private Investigator: He spoke with the food truck owner again and submitted a document with the answers to all of our questions.

February 19th:
-Private investigator found that 30lbs of pork stomach was purchased and was produced by
IBP (Iowa Beef Processors), which is a subsidiary of Tyson Foods

February 23rd:
-Received results from SMRTL lab. Everything is negative for nandrolone, including all
the supplements I ingested in the lead up to the test on 15 December 2020 . But since the burritos purchased in January were from an entirely different shipment of meat, it unfortunately did not tell us anything about whether the meat I ate in December contained nandrolone.

Oh look, they only found pork stomach, not kidneys, surprise!