People quick to defend Jordon Peterson when he's wrong

What are you even talking about? His entire message is basically take responsibility and dont play the victim card. Maybe dont get your information from Vox and Facebook posts.

Okay buddy.

Checks out. People with low self awareness are unable to see the capacity for themselves to do evil if left unchecked.

Imagine being butthurt by Jordan Peterson.

I’ll do my best to imagine that just like you, because I’m not. Wide gulf between ardent supporters and butthurtedness.

So, Ukraine would only win if it was able to cause as much destruction in Russia as Russia caused in Ukraine? Or is the argument that if in defending your country from an invading despot, you should only do so if you can keep property damage to a minimum? Basically, the argument is "when in doubt, go with the Vichy, France strategy of surrender and subjugation." Of course, Vichy, France was rewarded for laying down its arms by having the Nazis turn it into a war production subsidiary in exchange for food shortages and having all the Jews rounded up and put into concentration camps. And the people of France did not accept this subjugation and organized the resistance which eventually lead to more war and destruction as the Allies pushed the Germans out.

And if the argument is that Putin can't lose, you might want to check the latest news paper. Putin is losing. Badly. Ukraine doesn't have to "take Putin out". They just need to push RU forces out of the country and keep them out. For all the hype about how sanctions blow back on the EU and US economy, there is the stark reality that Putin's economy is in shambles with his own economist predicting a 5% dive in GDP in October alone (with a total drop of over 10% for 2022). The Russia stock market has been chopped in half from its Oct 2021 high (and that all happened with very strict capital controls). Mobilization is causing a mass exodus as Russians are well aware that they will just be cannon fodder. On the battlefield, RU has yet to be able to establish air superiority and Ukraine's air attacks have been largely successful. That is akin to a HS basketball team keeping the Golden State Warriors from hitting any three pointers. RU's best and most skilled forces have been decimated in Ukraine fighting. They are being replaced with middle aged men from far flung provinces.

If you want to talk about who cannot win, it is Putin and Russia. The RU forces have not shown any ability to effectively take territory and hold it. RU's economy will collapse this winter without gas revenues from the EU and with a large percentage of working age males either in combat, hiding abroad or dead/disabled from combat. NATO has expanded to Russia's border with Finland. And Ukraine's resistance has set an example for others in the region with Uzbekistan launching opportunist attacks on Armenia and Dagestan on the very of war with Kadyrovites who have been sent to the region to quell anti-mobilization protests. Putin's popularity in Russia comes from the fact that he rescued the country from the economic collapse that took place under Yeltsin. An economic collapse due to the Ukraine war would be the end of Putin's popularity and require him to either rule with an iron fist (probably will have to declare martial law) or be taken out in a popular uprising.

And the "why don't you fight in Ukraine" crack is just childish.

I like him but I disagree with him insofar as the world is overpopulated, we need less people not more. HUMANS ARE A DISEASE

That brings up another interesting point less so with Peterson but many of his supporters. Peterson speaks about how men should stop feeling bad about not gaining interest from women, and should work to improve themselves to be seen as more valuable and someone worth dating.

Where many pick and twist what Peterson has said to fit the redpill narrative of “woman only want chad and money” when that’s not what he’s teaching. Selectivism goes both ways in the dating game. No self respecting man will date a woman who doesn’t take care of herself, has nothing going for them in life and views us men as nothing but objects. Most women aren’t like that. Why is it that we can feel that way towards women but suddenly women are evil for not wanting to date us for similar reasons?

The self value I’ve gained by pursuing education, more world knowledge, and athletic excellence has me feeling so much more confident about myself than when I laid in bed and abused my body by eating comfort foods and watching YouTube and adult videos all day. I now feel confident that if a woman rejects me I see it as her loss and it really doesn’t effect me. I currently have a girlfriend that treats me very well, and I do not feel like she’s in any way shape or form using me for my status or anything like that.

And to put it out there, I’m a moderate that tends to be pretty leftist in my philosophy of how we should treat other people. That being said I really do agree on Jordan’s self betterment philosophy. I don’t think everyone needs to strive for gigachad masculinity, but moreso a lifestyle that makes them happy. I’m considered by many to be on the more effeminate side of things, I care a lot about fashion, I have a more slightly effeminate style, and I’m pretty happy to be a relatively skinny 170 lbs at 6’2. I don’t see a problem with that. It’s what makes me happy in my skin and I’m glad to be there. My dating life is fine too, of course many women prefer guys like Chris Hemsworth, Chris evans etc. but many also prefer guys like Timothee Chaulamet and Harry Styles.

Flagpole is an older guy now, 60?, and likes to be heard. He's a total narcissist and always has been. Let him think he's right, insecure people need that

I agree with your assessment 👍

In the long run, I believe Russia will lose. However, on the short term strategic front, Russia can play the attritional strategy which would be more costly to Ukraine, even if Ukraine actually manages to push them out. That's all assuming nuclear weapons aren't involved. Not even mentioning the fact that the EU will be facing an energy and economic crisis as the oil they sold their souls to the devil for just dried up.

Since Peterson never said that Ukraine and the West should give up against Putin, I'm assuming his entire point (if you're able to read between the lines here) is that there will be much greater costs than the West seems to believe and that victory is not assured. And my last comment is not childish - you are the one who believes Ukraine needs to fight this war even when you have no stake in the matter because you naively seem think it's all going to end fine.

Nah. Not 60. Not a narcissist. Just spreading truth and don't care if it's heard or not. Not insecure in the slightest.

There's no LETTING me think I am right about this. I AM right about this. Not every person has a little bit of evil in them. That's something that bad/guilty people tell themselves to make themselves feel better about their evil or criminal ways. I have no evil in me. I don't have evil thoughts or partake in evil actions. Like I said before, I'm not alone in that...probably in the minority, but definitely not alone.

Flagpole you simply are lacking in intellectual horsepower if you believe you are not capable of evil. You are actually potentially very dangerous because you could cause great harm and continue to clothe yourself in this false sense of virtue. My guess is you have already done great harm and you are likely a sociopath.

JP is quirky for sure, but his message is generally positive.

He gets a bad rap for saying things that are true yet unpopular.

His message is pretty narrow, however, and seems to repeat the same arguments over and over. I can’t figure out if he’s genuine or just cashing in on his somewhat newfound fame. I’m always skeptical of people selling books under the guise of self help. However, within that group he seems to be one of the more genuine writers/speakers.

The world is generally a cruel place and nice guys rarely finish first. Some of you younger guys will realize that you can’t complain your way to the top. You have to get out there and bring value to the world.

100x? Really? So Bush/Cheney leveled a country killing a million or so innocent people for no reason whatsoever and now Putin kills 100,000 or so mainly soldiers in a neighboring country that had been steadily amassing an increasingly large military - largest in Europe (strange for a poor country) - going back to 2014, announces plans to join NATO, and announces their desire to be armed with nukes, and he's 100x worse?

This board is frequented by children.

possibly the most BS take I've seen on LRC

Pretty harsh but accurate.

He says while advocating for Russia to have “more progressive” leadership.

You progressive lunatics are so unbelievably stupid and completely non-self aware.