That first point you made doesn't make any sense. You said that the NACACs aren't competitive and I showed you performances that were more competitive than at the European championships. Disproving that the championships aren't competitive. They aren't competitive in certain events but not in others because certain events aren't strong in North America but others are, obviously. Just like how certain events aren't competitive in Europe but are in North America.
That first point you made doesn't make any sense. You said that the NACACs aren't competitive and I showed you performances that were more competitive than at the European championships. Disproving that the championships aren't competitive. They aren't competitive in certain events but not in others because certain events aren't strong in North America but others are, obviously. Just like how certain events aren't competitive in Europe but are in North America.
Who are you replying to? I didn't use the phrase you suggest.
Why are you writing in the first person? Just making up something and stating it doesn't make it true. Try and construct some form of argument fgs!
US athletes just are not winning many medals representative to their massive population or even the population of a tiny country. Thats how success is measured. Your athletes are not competitive, with a very few exceptions, on the world stage in running outside the sprints because they are not winning many medals. Its not just "certain events" - its all of the middle distance and long distance track events from 1500m up.
Your point is nonsense. The population of the US is 330 million and they won 13 gold medals at the last world championship. The population of all of Europe is approximately 746 million and they only won 10 gold medals at the last world championship. The population of Africa is 1.2 billion and they also only won 9. Asia with 4.5 billion people has 4 gold medals. The US system is not perfect but it sure seems to be working better than the system anywhere else in the world.
Your point is nonsense. The population of the US is 330 million and they won 13 gold medals at the last world championship. The population of all of Europe is approximately 746 million and they only won 10 gold medals at the last world championship. The population of Africa is 1.2 billion and they also only won 9. Asia with 4.5 billion people has 4 gold medals. The US system is not perfect but it sure seems to be working better than the system anywhere else in the world.
Well, if you don't compare it to other COUNTRIES in the world. If you do compare it to other countries (you know, like the way medal tables are complied and national governing bodies are constructed and selection is carried out and so on), it did extremely poorly at the middle and long distance events.
So rather than telling everyone how great America is, why not provide an explanation as to your lack of success in middle and long distance track events? Americans playing baseball and soccer can only account for a small proportion of that 337 million. Its not as if other countries don't have stupidly overpaid footballers too...
I think as a country, the US has to recognise what it is doing wrong with regards to middle and long distance, and so something to fix it. Because right now, you are a laughing stock. Why did athletes like Mary Cain, Jordan Hasay and Ryan Hall not fill their potential/lose form dramatically in their twenties? These are not junior athletes who failed to progress, they were already at the top level and failed to stay there for a reasonable time. What is the American system doing to cause this? Too much mileage/intensity at too young an age?
By the way, two syllable insult ("nonsense" instead of "dumb" this time - who said progression can't happen?)
Make up your mind. If you want to use themetric of medal tables by country, the US wins. There is no additional metric for population. Stick to the rules or extrapolate to a larger population by region if you don't like the official rules. Either way, US wins!
I'd say the name sucks, who wants to say NACAC? There were some top tier athletes attending but the meet was horribly promoted and had very little depth. Lots of events had 11 competitors in the prelims so only 3 missed on the finals. Very difficult to watch and USATF would rather talk about Devon Allen's preseason TD than about it. Also another advantage of Euros is how its not just athletics, they host a whole variety of sports. I'd say the pan-american games is a better comparison to Euros.
Its becoming clearer that the North American model of athletics just isn't working very well compared to Europe and the rest of the world. No-one here (Europe) has even heard of NACAC or NCAA or whatever its called and can't understand the obsession adult men have with teenager schoolchildrens' athletics performance. The winning time in the 5000m you give is a decent club winning time in a routine, non-elite race here. The US alone has a population of 330 million and its regularly outdone by Scotland (population 5.4 million) and Norway (population also 5.4 million) in athletics in recent years. Your system doesn't work. Your training is far too harsh on young athletes and doesn't build up gradually enough with high mileage in particular, so destroys many. Even your high quality athletes such as Sydney McGloughlin are clearly so fragile that they barely race. Obviously her training is good enough and hers is a technical event, but other athletes really seem to be suffering from the lack of consistent high level competition that European athletes benefit from in bringing their performances up that extra bit. They are not afraid of competition in distance races. Is this NACAC thing compulsory or something? I cannot understand why any top class athlete would choose to run it, rather than the remaining Diamond League meetings this season. It can't be the travel - European athletes managed to travel to Eugene and do multiple track event then do more multiple championships afterwards.
Well...just to be clear the rest of the earth is woefully behind the USA in track and field medals. US and A, exactly 3x as many medals as anyone else. And oh by the way, Europe? Are you joking? You had exactly one single country in the top 10 of Worlds in the medal count. And that was Poland! PERU!!!! Peru has more golds than any European country! So I assume you are speaking of the 1500 or a few other events? Bear in mind if we sent only NCAA(college) athletes to worlds, we would still be in top ten of medal count. So..take away JI and KW, and Norway is kicking whose butt? Your argument became comically "chip on the shoulder" when you invoked Syd's name. The rest of planet earth has nobody within 1/3 of a straightaway close to her. She will change events and still beat everyone in europe and beyond. So maybe construct a better argument. Track is just more popular in Europe, that's cool for them. I like the trim of Europe's jib in many ways, but please. European championships are fun to watch, but not exactly the top of league aside from a few top tier talents.
Pretty sure the NACA (or however its spelled) looked so sad as it was at the same time than the European Championship. In Munich the 60.000 people stadium was packed with people and the atmosphere was fantastic. Footage from the NACAs looks like someone filmed on a 2009 iPhone. Just not the same level. And even Eugene which had obviously the level of competition did not have that amount of fans and excitement surrounding it.
Especially the fact there were no evening sessions in Eugene made it so odd and lacking flair. Do Americans need to be really in bed by 9pm? What is it with the obsessive morning schedule everyone has.
A thing that has always befuddled me with the American public is that Running is a mass participation event with so many family 5ks and Turkey Trots and run clubs. But athletics as a sport gets almost no coverage and fan attendance. So so odd. In Europe you'd be hard pressed to find anyones family attending a 5k fun run but those who run are serious about it.
Its becoming clearer that the North American model of athletics just isn't working very well compared to Europe and the rest of the world. No-one here (Europe) has even heard of NACAC or NCAA or whatever its called and can't understand the obsession adult men have with teenager schoolchildrens' athletics performance. The winning time in the 5000m you give is a decent club winning time in a routine, non-elite race here. The US alone has a population of 330 million and its regularly outdone by Scotland (population 5.4 million) and Norway (population also 5.4 million) in athletics in recent years. Your system doesn't work. Your training is far too harsh on young athletes and doesn't build up gradually enough with high mileage in particular, so destroys many. Even your high quality athletes such as Sydney McGloughlin are clearly so fragile that they barely race. Obviously her training is good enough and hers is a technical event, but other athletes really seem to be suffering from the lack of consistent high level competition that European athletes benefit from in bringing their performances up that extra bit. They are not afraid of competition in distance races. Is this NACAC thing compulsory or something? I cannot understand why any top class athlete would choose to run it, rather than the remaining Diamond League meetings this season. It can't be the travel - European athletes managed to travel to Eugene and do multiple track event then do more multiple championships afterwards.
Well...just to be clear the rest of the earth is woefully behind the USA in track and field medals. US and A, exactly 3x as many medals as anyone else. And oh by the way, Europe? Are you joking? You had exactly one single country in the top 10 of Worlds in the medal count. And that was Poland! PERU!!!! Peru has more golds than any European country! So I assume you are speaking of the 1500 or a few other events? Bear in mind if we sent only NCAA(college) athletes to worlds, we would still be in top ten of medal count. So..take away JI and KW, and Norway is kicking whose butt? Your argument became comically "chip on the shoulder" when you invoked Syd's name. The rest of planet earth has nobody within 1/3 of a straightaway close to her. She will change events and still beat everyone in europe and beyond. So maybe construct a better argument. Track is just more popular in Europe, that's cool for them. I like the trim of Europe's jib in many ways, but please. European championships are fun to watch, but not exactly the top of league aside from a few top tier talents.
I agree, you should construct a better argument. The above is just a load of hysteria. Do your schools over there actually teach you to write properly? Can you actually communicate without using metaphors? Its almost like you need a translator to help those of us who don't actually live in North Dakota.
Do you have any concrete suggestions about the American failure in long and middle distance running? Its really strange being in Europe and seeing the US consistently perform in these events. How can you have so many people and not produce the occasional medallist of late?
Well...just to be clear the rest of the earth is woefully behind the USA in track and field medals. US and A, exactly 3x as many medals as anyone else. And oh by the way, Europe? Are you joking? You had exactly one single country in the top 10 of Worlds in the medal count. And that was Poland! PERU!!!! Peru has more golds than any European country! So I assume you are speaking of the 1500 or a few other events? Bear in mind if we sent only NCAA(college) athletes to worlds, we would still be in top ten of medal count. So..take away JI and KW, and Norway is kicking whose butt? Your argument became comically "chip on the shoulder" when you invoked Syd's name. The rest of planet earth has nobody within 1/3 of a straightaway close to her. She will change events and still beat everyone in europe and beyond. So maybe construct a better argument. Track is just more popular in Europe, that's cool for them. I like the trim of Europe's jib in many ways, but please. European championships are fun to watch, but not exactly the top of league aside from a few top tier talents.
I agree, you should construct a better argument. The above is just a load of hysteria. Do your schools over there actually teach you to write properly? Can you actually communicate without using metaphors? Its almost like you need a translator to help those of us who don't actually live in North Dakota.
Do you have any concrete suggestions about the American failure in long and middle distance running? Its really strange being in Europe and seeing the US consistently perform in these events. How can you have so many people and not produce the occasional medallist of late?
Don't be a moron and suggest the US is not head and shoulders better in track and field. The mountain of evidence is against you. You are better than that man! When you criticize how someone says it, it's clear you are feeling self conscious about the fact that you are wrong and have no answer for anything I pointed out. Now, if you want to have a sane discussion specifically about MD running, I can see that. Our 800 mens and 1500 women/men are befuddling. I have no explanation.
But do you have an explanation for...... Peru has more golds than any European country! lMAO- (not literally).
The weird thing is you criticize American distance running as if Europe is a distance running powerhouse. It’s not! Sure, you had a great showing in the 1500 at the world championships, and Jakob is exceptional, but what about the other events and your other runners?
Men’s 5K: outside of Jakob (whose success is uniquely attributed to his family rather than a national development system), your best finisher was 14th, behind 2 Americans
Men’s 10K: your best finisher was 10th, behind 2 Americans
Men’s steeple: 2 Americans in the top 8, best European was 9th
Men’s marathon: Bronze medal from Abdi, everyone else way back
Women’s 5K: Hassan (who reached her top form while training under an American coach) got 6th, and Grovdal got 8th, just one spot ahead of Cranny
Women’s 10K: Hassan got 4th, while McColgan finished one spot behind Schweizer in 10th
Women’s steeple: Your top finisher was 5th, ours was 6th
Women’s marathon: USA did much better, placing 3 in the top 8
People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
The weird thing is you criticize American distance running as if Europe is a distance running powerhouse. It’s not! Sure, you had a great showing in the 1500 at the world championships, and Jakob is exceptional, but what about the other events and your other runners?
Men’s 5K: outside of Jakob (whose success is uniquely attributed to his family rather than a national development system), your best finisher was 14th, behind 2 Americans
Men’s 10K: your best finisher was 10th, behind 2 Americans
Men’s steeple: 2 Americans in the top 8, best European was 9th
Men’s marathon: Bronze medal from Abdi, everyone else way back
Women’s 5K: Hassan (who reached her top form while training under an American coach) got 6th, and Grovdal got 8th, just one spot ahead of Cranny
Women’s 10K: Hassan got 4th, while McColgan finished one spot behind Schweizer in 10th
Women’s steeple: Your top finisher was 5th, ours was 6th
Women’s marathon: USA did much better, placing 3 in the top 8
People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
I see the other poster has now reached moron status. God forbid anyone invoke the name of Syd again!
Are you seriously trying to compare the results of a country with 5 million people against that of 337 million? I think you are actually seriously trying to do that. Thats laughable, and embarrassing. I'm not even Norwegian (the clue is in the name...), yet even in my country of 17.5 million, we got 4 medals at the Worlds.
I think you Americans really need some introspection and to lay off the insults to anyone who points out your failings. Its such a poor mindset for sporting success. Maybe in the past boasting and insulting your way to medals worked to some extent through intimidation or something, but not now. The US is getting left behind.
Serious question, do your better athletes use sports psychologists over there?
My comparison was clearly between the USA and the entire European continent. Did they not teach you basic reading comprehension where you went to school?
Its becoming clearer that the North American model of athletics just isn't working very well compared to Europe and the rest of the world. No-one here (Europe) has even heard of NACAC or NCAA or whatever its called and can't understand the obsession adult men have with teenager schoolchildrens' athletics performance. The winning time in the 5000m you give is a decent club winning time in a routine, non-elite race here. The US alone has a population of 330 million and its regularly outdone by Scotland (population 5.4 million) and Norway (population also 5.4 million) in athletics in recent years. Your system doesn't work. Your training is far too harsh on young athletes and doesn't build up gradually enough with high mileage in particular, so destroys many. Even your high quality athletes such as Sydney McGloughlin are clearly so fragile that they barely race. Obviously her training is good enough and hers is a technical event, but other athletes really seem to be suffering from the lack of consistent high level competition that European athletes benefit from in bringing their performances up that extra bit. They are not afraid of competition in distance races. Is this NACAC thing compulsory or something? I cannot understand why any top class athlete would choose to run it, rather than the remaining Diamond League meetings this season. It can't be the travel - European athletes managed to travel to Eugene and do multiple track event then do more multiple championships afterwards.
The weird thing is you criticize American distance running as if Europe is a distance running powerhouse. It’s not! Sure, you had a great showing in the 1500 at the world championships, and Jakob is exceptional, but what about the other events and your other runners?
Men’s 5K: outside of Jakob (whose success is uniquely attributed to his family rather than a national development system), your best finisher was 14th, behind 2 Americans
Men’s 10K: your best finisher was 10th, behind 2 Americans
Men’s steeple: 2 Americans in the top 8, best European was 9th
Men’s marathon: Bronze medal from Abdi, everyone else way back
Women’s 5K: Hassan (who reached her top form while training under an American coach) got 6th, and Grovdal got 8th, just one spot ahead of Cranny
Women’s 10K: Hassan got 4th, while McColgan finished one spot behind Schweizer in 10th
Women’s steeple: Your top finisher was 5th, ours was 6th
Women’s marathon: USA did much better, placing 3 in the top 8
People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
I see the other poster has now reached moron status. God forbid anyone invoke the name of Syd again!
Are you seriously trying to compare the results of a country with 5 million people against that of 337 million? I think you are actually seriously trying to do that. Thats laughable, and embarrassing. I'm not even Norwegian (the clue is in the name...), yet even in my country of 17.5 million, we got 4 medals at the Worlds.
I think you Americans really need some introspection and to lay off the insults to anyone who points out your failings. Its such a poor mindset for sporting success. Maybe in the past boasting and insulting your way to medals worked to some extent through intimidation or something, but not now. The US is getting left behind.
Serious question, do your better athletes use sports psychologists over there?
You just confused the results of the entire continent with those of a single small country therein -- Norway. I guess that tells everyone how you really think Europe did at WCs.
Its becoming clearer that the North American model of athletics just isn't working very well compared to Europe and the rest of the world. No-one here (Europe) has even heard of NACAC or NCAA or whatever its called and can't understand the obsession adult men have with teenager schoolchildrens' athletics performance. The winning time in the 5000m you give is a decent club winning time in a routine, non-elite race here. The US alone has a population of 330 million and its regularly outdone by Scotland (population 5.4 million) and Norway (population also 5.4 million) in athletics in recent years. Your system doesn't work. Your training is far too harsh on young athletes and doesn't build up gradually enough with high mileage in particular, so destroys many. Even your high quality athletes such as Sydney McGloughlin are clearly so fragile that they barely race. Obviously her training is good enough and hers is a technical event, but other athletes really seem to be suffering from the lack of consistent high level competition that European athletes benefit from in bringing their performances up that extra bit. They are not afraid of competition in distance races. Is this NACAC thing compulsory or something? I cannot understand why any top class athlete would choose to run it, rather than the remaining Diamond League meetings this season. It can't be the travel - European athletes managed to travel to Eugene and do multiple track event then do more multiple championships afterwards.
This post is completely laughable and has Cück vibes written all over it. Please, explain to me like I’m 5, how in the world Norway and Scotland “have regularly outdone the U.S.” whenever the U.S won 33 medals and Norway and Scotland combined had less than 10 at Eugene?? And really- of all the American athletes to critique you land on Sydney who hasn’t lost a major championship in over 2 years ? Lmao just say you’re jealous of America and move on with your life buddy
Its becoming clearer that the North American model of athletics just isn't working very well compared to Europe and the rest of the world. No-one here (Europe) has even heard of NACAC or NCAA or whatever its called and can't understand the obsession adult men have with teenager schoolchildrens' athletics performance. The winning time in the 5000m you give is a decent club winning time in a routine, non-elite race here. The US alone has a population of 330 million and its regularly outdone by Scotland (population 5.4 million) and Norway (population also 5.4 million) in athletics in recent years. Your system doesn't work. Your training is far too harsh on young athletes and doesn't build up gradually enough with high mileage in particular, so destroys many. Even your high quality athletes such as Sydney McGloughlin are clearly so fragile that they barely race. Obviously her training is good enough and hers is a technical event, but other athletes really seem to be suffering from the lack of consistent high level competition that European athletes benefit from in bringing their performances up that extra bit. They are not afraid of competition in distance races. Is this NACAC thing compulsory or something? I cannot understand why any top class athlete would choose to run it, rather than the remaining Diamond League meetings this season. It can't be the travel - European athletes managed to travel to Eugene and do multiple track event then do more multiple championships afterwards.
This post is completely laughable and has Cück vibes written all over it. Please, explain to me like I’m 5, how in the world Norway and Scotland “have regularly outdone the U.S.” whenever the U.S won 33 medals and Norway and Scotland combined had less than 10 at Eugene?? And really- of all the American athletes to critique you land on Sydney who hasn’t lost a major championship in over 2 years ? Lmao just say you’re jealous of America and move on with your life buddy
Why would anyone be jealous of a third world country with homeless people living in the streets of its main cities, no proper healthcare system and high levels of obesity? We see it as on a par with India these days, maybe lower because India's education system is quite good.
Norway and Scotland between them won the mens 1500m and 5000m and had medallists in the womens' 800m and 1500m. With a population barely scraping 11 million. Scotland alone regularly fields 3 mens' 1500m finalists. The US can barely produce finallists in these events. Beyond the sprints, the US is doing woefully on a world level. Sydney is a good athlete but her racing programme is minimal and you couldn't really call her a world star because she just doesn't race enough. I think many track fans would like to see her race more often.
Again, instead of telling everyone how great the US is, maybe admit that you are awful in terms of medals per head of population, and do something about it. Because obviously with so many people to represent you, you are doing something wrong if you can barely produce finallists about 400m on the track. You guys have got a huge problem with your track representation in the distance events, and your good athletes are always injured.
Can't help thinking how good Jake Kerr would be if he wasn't living in the US and had access to better coaching and race programmes. In fact, if you had sent poor little Mary Cain over here, we would probably have managed to get her to win a senior championship medal by now at least.