Watson met at least 66 women for massages over a 17-month period, far more than previously known. He had help from the Houston Texans, including nondisclosure agreements, in making appointments.
He already essentially sat out a year, so it is more like a 23-game ban. I don't care for the guy, but a lot of these accusations are likely profit seeking. He utilized a prostitution service that was essentially disguised as a massage business (think along the lines of Orchids of Asia and Robert Kraft). Once they realized who it was they were providing services for, they sent him as many different women as they could and then started in with the accusations. They reached civil settlements with the Texans and Watson likely cracking $100 million combined (far more than they could make simply turning tricks for broke johns).
All these "victims" are likely millionaires. The guy is a disgrace and a fool and he lost a bundle of money by being an idiot, but a lot of these women are likely not entirely "victims".
Not true at all he was only paying out a few million total over 20 something women. After lawyers fees and taxes they netted very little money.
He already essentially sat out a year, so it is more like a 23-game ban. I don't care for the guy, but a lot of these accusations are likely profit seeking. He utilized a prostitution service that was essentially disguised as a massage business (think along the lines of Orchids of Asia and Robert Kraft). Once they realized who it was they were providing services for, they sent him as many different women as they could and then started in with the accusations. They reached civil settlements with the Texans and Watson likely cracking $100 million combined (far more than they could make simply turning tricks for broke johns).
All these "victims" are likely millionaires. The guy is a disgrace and a fool and he lost a bundle of money by being an idiot, but a lot of these women are likely not entirely "victims".
Not true at all he was only paying out a few million total over 20 something women. After lawyers fees and taxes they netted very little money.
You're dreaming. Given the big pockets of the Texans and Watson's $230 million contract, they aren't walking away for less than $1-2 million apiece from the Texans and Watson (that's about what the University of Michigan was paying out in the Nassar case). The "victims" were the happiest people on the planet when he got the monster contract from the Browns. They all got retirement money.
OP why is are these sad times? Nothing has changed here. If anything if this was 30 years ago Watson would have faced no suspension at all. These are not sad times. The concussions and head injuries are a much bigger deal. What Watson allegedly did isn’t that big of a deal in the scheme of things.
The NFL did NOT make this ruling. This was an independent agreed upon arbitor(who happens to be a retired federal judge) that handed down a 15 page decision regarding this case.
If you don't think the NFL had anything to do w/the ruling, whether it was directly or indirectly, you need a refresher on economics. It's all pretty disgusting and the OP makes some good points, but I've said it before and will say it again... As soon as we start counting on professional athletes and the leagues they play in as anything more than entertainment, we need to take a hard look at ourselves 1st.
The Browns will be paying Watson’s salary and not the N.F.L. The N.F.L. was fine without Watson playing last year and if he retired tomorrow, it would be the Browns’ problem and no one else’s. He’s bad news and the league would be better off without him.
But my take is if he committed criminal acts then he should be charged and appropriately judicated by the court system. Apparently 23 of the 24 women involved in his various creepy massages have settled. They took the money instead of having him prosecuted. So, im guessing whatever he did in those 23 instances wasn't all that big of a deal at the end of the day.
Kobe Bryant, on the other hand.......... Thats was some messed up shiz.
But my take is if he committed criminal acts then he should be charged and appropriately judicated by the court system. Apparently 23 of the 24 women involved in his various creepy massages have settled. They took the money instead of having him prosecuted. So, im guessing whatever he did in those 23 instances wasn't all that big of a deal at the end of the day.
Kobe Bryant, on the other hand.......... Thats was some messed up shiz.
A grand jury reviewed the charges against Watson and did not indict him.
But my take is if he committed criminal acts then he should be charged and appropriately judicated by the court system. Apparently 23 of the 24 women involved in his various creepy massages have settled. They took the money instead of having him prosecuted. So, im guessing whatever he did in those 23 instances wasn't all that big of a deal at the end of the day.
Kobe Bryant, on the other hand.......... Thats was some messed up shiz.
A grand jury reviewed the charges against Watson and did not indict him.
Yes. So it seems whatever DW did was not really such a big deal.
Everyone should do a compare and contrast of Deshaun Watson and Kobe Bryant.
Its not even remotely close. How many games was Kobe suspended?
Kobe Bryant’s Disturbing Rape Case: The DNA Evidence, the Accuser’s Story, and the Half-Confession (thedailybeast.com)
But my take is if he committed criminal acts then he should be charged and appropriately judicated by the court system. Apparently 23 of the 24 women involved in his various creepy massages have settled. They took the money instead of having him prosecuted. So, im guessing whatever he did in those 23 instances wasn't all that big of a deal at the end of the day.
Kobe Bryant, on the other hand.......... Thats was some messed up shiz.
These leagues really get themselves in trouble when they start playing detective, judge, jury, prosecution. They should step aside and let the judicial process take place. No charges, no arrests, then move on. Just be consistent with this policy and people will shut up.
He already essentially sat out a year, so it is more like a 23-game ban. I don't care for the guy, but a lot of these accusations are likely profit seeking. He utilized a prostitution service that was essentially disguised as a massage business (think along the lines of Orchids of Asia and Robert Kraft). Once they realized who it was they were providing services for, they sent him as many different women as they could and then started in with the accusations. They reached civil settlements with the Texans and Watson likely cracking $100 million combined (far more than they could make simply turning tricks for broke johns).
All these "victims" are likely millionaires. The guy is a disgrace and a fool and he lost a bundle of money by being an idiot, but a lot of these women are likely not entirely "victims".
Watson sat out last year because he demanded a trade, before any allegations even came out. And he was paid for the entirety of it. Absurd to classify that as a 23 game ban, when it had nothing to do with whats being alleged here. Moronic take that I keep seeing parroted.
Here is the quote from the spa owner who was facilitating the massages for him:
3) The arbitrator was a retired female federal judge, by far the most credible person in this entire process.
4) There were never accusations of violence or coercion, and no criminal charges were ever filed.
5) 6 games is in line with previous suspensions in which violence was a primary element of complaints against players. Given that, Watson's suspension should have been LESS than six games.
6) The agreement between owners and the players' union calls for equal consequences for owners, but we know that Kraft, Snyder, Jones and others have faced no consequences for their licentious behaviors. If this winds up in court, the NFLPA is likely to pursue discovery, especially in the Snyder, Kraft and Jones cases. What's worse for the NFL? The Watson case or a dredging through cases involving the hideous billionaires who own these teams?
7) Self-righteous posters and commentators seem to forget that sports heroes have pursued sexual conquest for, well, forever. Remember Wilt Chamberlain's claimed 10,000 partners? Sports stars basically travel the world spreading their DNA like jack rabbits and they always have.
8) Enough with the sanctimonious teeth gnashing.
9) The Browns are going to be Hella Good. Anyone against the Browns can suck on that.
9) The Browns are going to be Hella Good. Anyone against the Browns can suck on that.
You made some decent points until #9. When you got to #9, though, you lost all credibility. The Browns haven't been relevant since Kosar. Do you use his same financial advisor?
If you have a problem with athletes making this much money, you ought to be a lot more concerned with how much wealth billionaires have. There's guys making 100 times as much as the richest most famous athlete
He is accused of asking masseuses to jack him off?
Hell, Bob Kraft did hire women to do just that many times, women who worked for people being investigated of engaging in human trafficking, and was actually videotaped in the act twice?
His punishment?
Nothing.
A standing ovation at the Boston Garden a few days after the story broke
The Texans allowed and probably enabled his behavior, but at least, unlike the Browns, they did not pick him up knowing what he did. Those women considered themselves to be conducting legit, non-sexual massages, a category that actually is far more common than the opposite. The major institution chooses its arbitrator with the union, if there is one, but believe me who has the stronger pull in the choice--the much richer institution. So, they choose one that serves their interests. This is a joke of a penalty, but it's closer to the realm of the reasonable if you factor in the de facto suspension for all of last season, since Houston wouldn't play him and no team would trade for him.
First of all he sat out all of last year. Second of all he denied all the allegations from money hungry women and hookers. Third of all the decision for the suspension length was made by a WOMAN. So many clueless, reactionary, emotional people giving their two cents on something they know nothing about.
Man what an @sshole.
The decision being made "by a WOMAN" is totally irrelevant here and so is the fact she is an "independant" and technically not "the NFL" which if anyone had bothered to read properly you would know I fully understood from the start.
But, let's not forget this ruling is in essence just a recommendation and the NFL head office can appeal at which it would go to Goodell for the final say. So we can move words around and play the nuance game of "it's not the NFL" but at some point it IS the NFL because they could step in and do what's right.
Whether he was charged criminally or not is irrelevant - Trevor Bauer wasn't and the MLB sent him the pen for 2 years. The NFL could do exactly this with this guy. For christs sake the "judge" called out his "premeditated" and "predatory" behavior which in the context of sexual acts is really scary and we have people here defending this guy?
Yeah this is reactionary you clown - people should be reacting to this. And yeah it's emotional - people should be generating strong emotions about this because it's deplorable and that's what happens when normal people come across situations like these.
Furthermore if there is something we are missing on this then why don't you enlighten us all on what IS missing.
I'm seriously trying to understand how anybody thinks he was hiring these women for only a 'massage'??? If you seriously think that these women don't engage in sexual activity as the main 'course' of the appointment, you're delusional. They are ALL hookers... and the most amazing part is how they outed themselves in their shortsighted opportunistic greed.