Engineering, Hard science,AI., Biotech. I have a house across from MIT. Lisa Randall and a history of science prof are the smartest people I have met. They are like from another world.
BTW, learning finance for a math major is trivial. It took me two weeks and I found the CFA to be easy-such is the value of a good math and science background.
The hard part of investment banking is not the financial theory, but finding customers who want a risk or want to discard one. Truly bright people in the field are very clever when it comes to crafting solutions. I don’t think you learn this skill in undergrad business, Econ, or math programs.
I don't know what other states do, but, for a Florida resident, getting into Florida universities is relatively easy--Get your AA at any community college. Around the middle of your first year talk to a counselor and figure out what the prereqs are for whatever college within the university you want to get into, take those classes, and get those grades. You will be automatically accepted into the Florida university system and the college once you complete your AA. Oh yeah, be sure to start the application process somewhat early in your last semester otherwise you'll have to sit out a semester before starting at the university.
I know a couple guys that did this back when I went there. It was easier, but you still needed at least a 3.5 and 1200 SAT, unless you were an underrepresented group. My roommate, who was Pacific Islander, got in with a 970 SAT.
Is this still the case with getting your AA? I know it’s easier to get in after the AA, but is it automatic? Just planning for my 2 kids since they have prepaid tuition. My wife is 1/2 Filipino, so I’m putting Pacific Islander for my kids when they apply.
I graduated from UF a couple years ago, with what hopefully is an appealing enough degree to not be insulted (applied physiology and kinesiology). As part of the college of human health and performance, APK shares the building with the sport management majors. To me they were generally nice folks with an interest in merging some STEM with some love of athletics, and I don't understand the necessity in being rude and condescending towards them.
Really came here to say though that UF, especially Kent Fuchs, was always trying to push towards that Top 5 ranking, mental health of the students and faculty be damned. It repeatedly caused the admin to butt heads with the students.
I still stand by my statement that most eilte schools don't even offer business programs. Wharton is an exception, as our state schools who are obliged to offer these programs. I don't believe I disparaged business programs, but commented on how difficult it might be for elite schools to have sports management programs when they don't have a business school.
I went to UNC and they gave a good business program. The business students were in the top quartile of the University, but generally not the verytop. It is not a degree of which to be ashamed. I am not really proud of UNC with its big low end and crummy student athletes, but it was all I could afford at the time.
I hire analysts from all over. My best is an actuary from FSU. I have never had liberal arts major fail any section of the CFA (Duke, Amherst, Princeton, W&L), but I havhad many business majors fail it. Part of it may be a personality thing.
It must sting to see people who have degrees like a Ph.D. and an actuary -so vastly outearn a real world mover and shaker like yourself.
But I stand by my statistical statement that most elite schools lack undergraduate business programs. It is simply a fact. You simply cherry picked the minority of elite schools that do. A self revealing analysis.
BTW, learning finance for a math major is trivial. It took me two weeks and I found the CFA to be easy-such is the value of a good math and science background.
The hard part of investment banking is not the financial theory, but finding customers who want a risk or want to discard one. Truly bright people in the field are very clever when it comes to crafting solutions. I don’t think you learn this skill in undergrad business, Econ, or math programs.
Lol, you should really keep quiet. Every time you open your mouth you provide even more irrefutable proof of what an arrogant twit you are. I see why you are a former academician. You must have been absolutely insufferable in the classroom. Who cares what's easy or hard? Only socially awkward nerds who struggle to approach members of the opposite sex debate about what majors are the most difficult. You may wish to engage in "pissing" contests about the relative difficulty of majors, however, most of us here have no interest in engaging in such irrelevancies.
What matters are outcomes. If that sports management major gets a job managing personnel matters of a college athletics program or sports franchise--which many do--the program was a success. If the business major gets a job managing a team of nerdy math analysts (who, for the most part, are too socially awkward to allow anywhere near clients), then that business program was a success as well.
I still stand by my statement that most eilte schools don't even offer business programs. Wharton is an exception, as our state schools who are obliged to offer these programs. I don't believe I disparaged business programs, but commented on how difficult it might be for elite schools to have sports management programs when they don't have a business school.
I went to UNC and they gave a good business program. The business students were in the top quartile of the University, but generally not the verytop. It is not a degree of which to be ashamed. I am not really proud of UNC with its big low end and crummy student athletes, but it was all I could afford at the time.
I hire analysts from all over. My best is an actuary from FSU. I have never had liberal arts major fail any section of the CFA (Duke, Amherst, Princeton, W&L), but I havhad many business majors fail it. Part of it may be a personality thing.
It must sting to see people who have degrees like a Ph.D. and an actuary -so vastly outearn a real world mover and shaker like yourself.
But I stand by my statistical statement that most elite schools lack undergraduate business programs. It is simply a fact. You simply cherry picked the minority of elite schools that do. A self revealing analysis.
I now understand your insecurity. A degree from UNC, ranked lower than Florida, and you won't dare where you earned your dime-a-dozen Ph.D, which our org has let go of dozens.
I am not sure so sure why you think rankings correlate to income, but I suspect that FL and UNC are in same ball park. Only weak minds resort to personal assaults. You lost the argument. So just a claim that your organization (unnamed) has let go dozens Of Ph.D.s. In what field? Wow, what an analysis! But you surely can tell from some of the details I have mentioned that I do finance at a high level, do very well, and would love to know what you can teach me about the world. It would be fun for me to debate a genius like yourself. Please tell me your credentials.
Nothing I you say I disagree with, although I have sold every client I have. My whole point is that some departments partially exist to accommodate athletes who otherwise wouldn't be up to snuff. This is a running or sports board. And as I have pointed out, I lived it. My school lost accreditation because of this trick. You surely must admit that big schools play this game.
I still stand by my statement that most eilte schools don't even offer business programs. Wharton is an exception, as our state schools who are obliged to offer these programs. I don't believe I disparaged business programs, but commented on how difficult it might be for elite schools to have sports management programs when they don't have a business school.
I went to UNC and they gave a good business program. The business students were in the top quartile of the University, but generally not the verytop. It is not a degree of which to be ashamed. I am not really proud of UNC with its big low end and crummy student athletes, but it was all I could afford at the time.
I hire analysts from all over. My best is an actuary from FSU. I have never had liberal arts major fail any section of the CFA (Duke, Amherst, Princeton, W&L), but I havhad many business majors fail it. Part of it may be a personality thing.
It must sting to see people who have degrees like a Ph.D. and an actuary -so vastly outearn a real world mover and shaker like yourself.
But I stand by my statistical statement that most elite schools lack undergraduate business programs. It is simply a fact. You simply cherry picked the minority of elite schools that do. A self revealing analysis.
I see your point that Stanford, U of Chicago and many of the Ivy's dont have undergraduate business degrees but some Ivy's do as well as private schools such as MIT, Carnegie Mellon, Washington U. I'd agree that other majors will better prepare you for finance as well as an elite graduate business degree. No one should argue that an undergraduate degree is difficult.
Florida is a very good if not great public school that has steadily gone up in the rankings (ACT 29-33). My own experience at my top 5 public school is that the school bent over backwards to accommodate athletes, sometimes creating whole departments to facilitate academic progress (leading to a loss of accreditation for a few years). It was depressing to watch. I wonder how these kids compete academically? I guess the sports management department exists for a reason.
There are plenty of athletes who do great academically in very challenging majors. Just because some athletes piss away their scholarship/enrollment on a useless major doesn't mean you have to assume all or a majority do. Especially in track and cross country.
I wonder how these kids compete academically? I guess the sports management department exists for a reason.
Research on academic clustering sets the bar for "clustering" as having 25% or more of the athletes on one team pursuing the same major (going back to the early research by Case, Greer and Brown and affirmed by Fountain and Finley in multiple studies about ten years ago). The researchers do not comment on the rigor or value of the degree. That is for the university to determine. But more than 25% qualifies the major as clustered and worthy of some inspection.
Can you verify that more than 25% of the athletes on either the men's or women's teams at UF are majoring in sports management?
IF so, can you share the exact percent of the rosters that are in that major?
With tuition rates so low and the new 6k allotment in the SEC the gators have an almost unlimited amount of tuition scholarships. They are the future!
I'm curious what percent of the rosters is Florida residents (went to high school in Florida). If you are admitted to UF and were a reasonably good high school student at a Florida high school, you likely qualified for the Bright Futures scholarship (which can be used at any Florida public university) and your tuition is covered. You still have to pay fees and room and board, but that scholarship is a sweet deal and encourages Florida kids to stay in-state.