king999 wrote:
It’s not at all a step back if you consider what that 3:34.36 was…
A complete “ one off stars aligned run”
he was much more like a 3:38 type who caught the perfect storm
Idk I think last year he was a 3:34 guy. He ran a 3:38-9 equivalent indoors, and had another 6 months to build off of that fitness (with huge upside, only 18 months of running. To prove it, he's already running 3:36 after missing a month of training.
This just in: none of your PRs count if they were run in good conditions
wannabepro25 wrote:
Calm down, he didn’t PR or hit the standard. Not a MF worthy post.
He got the US champs standard, all he needs at this point. I think you are confusing standards. He’s on track is what the OP added the MF for, and I think training for the big one.
What a weird thread. 3:34 guys are not 3:38 guys, the hint is in the name, the same way as 3:38 guys are not 3:34 guys
You can't fluke a time, either you run it or you dont. Was there a huge fan following him around the track blowing him to 3:34? No, he ran 3:34, he was a 3:34 guy. Its bizarre the kind of deluded mental gymnastics some posters pull here when fanboying.
He's also 19, has had some injury problems, it's not the end of the World to be 2 seconds off his PR that is just about a year old with weeks to go until the main focus of his year and with an injury layoff too. Its also not the end of the World if he doesn't make the team this year, there's another world champs next year because of Covid and an Olympics the year after so there's 3 major champs in the next 26 months, he'll still only be 21 by then, an age where most still haven't graduated College.
Top 5 at Nationals I am predicting. No reason he cannot drop another couple of seconds in a month, but no one knows what kind of 1500 race at Nationals we are going to see. Hobbs has great coaching, and has the ability to shift gears in a tactical race, way beyond his years, way beyond the 19 year old Webb.
Vevo wrote:
What a weird thread. 3:34 guys are not 3:38 guys, the hint is in the name, the same way as 3:38 guys are not 3:34 guys
You can't fluke a time, either you run it or you dont. Was there a huge fan following him around the track blowing him to 3:34? No, he ran 3:34, he was a 3:34 guy. Its bizarre the kind of deluded mental gymnastics some posters pull here when fanboying.
He's also 19, has had some injury problems, it's not the end of the World to be 2 seconds off his PR that is just about a year old with weeks to go until the main focus of his year and with an injury layoff too. Its also not the end of the World if he doesn't make the team this year, there's another world champs next year because of Covid and an Olympics the year after so there's 3 major champs in the next 26 months, he'll still only be 21 by then, an age where most still haven't graduated College.
Good post. Also, I’m predicting Hobbs under 3:34 this year.
Vevo wrote:
What a weird thread. 3:34 guys are not 3:38 guys, the hint is in the name, the same way as 3:38 guys are not 3:34 guys
You can't fluke a time, either you run it or you dont. Was there a huge fan following him around the track blowing him to 3:34? No, he ran 3:34, he was a 3:34 guy. Its bizarre the kind of deluded mental gymnastics some posters pull here when fanboying.
He's also 19, has had some injury problems, it's not the end of the World to be 2 seconds off his PR that is just about a year old with weeks to go until the main focus of his year and with an injury layoff too. Its also not the end of the World if he doesn't make the team this year, there's another world champs next year because of Covid and an Olympics the year after so there's 3 major champs in the next 26 months, he'll still only be 21 by then, an age where most still haven't graduated College.
Exactly right. He is on the right track after a slow first pro season with injuries and bumps in the road. This performance is decent, but obviously last year was going better than this year. Now he has plenty of time to perform better than last year by PRing or making a US Final. His season can extend into July and August, he’s lightly raced. It’s no big deal if he doesn’t make this team where it looks like there’s one spot up for grabs.
He’s a 3:34 guy well Hocker is a 3:31 guy but you’d have to be encouraged by racing right there with the worlds best even if it was a 3:33 equivalent. Kessler has some more work to do not being with Gourley/Tanner but he’s inching closer
When he was running 3:45, anyone on the outside had reason to worry because they didn't know that he had missed a good deal of time and was progressing fine in workouts. When he ran 3:39, he showed he was coming along fine and there wasn't reason to worry, but you didn't know, from the outside, whether he was going to come around enough to have a shot at making the team this year. Now, after he's run 3:36 and dropped 9 seconds since that first race, you can see that he'll be a contender and has a great shot to pr this year. Last year, his 3:34 was no miracle or anything like that. His Michigan workout finish showed that he was in fantastic shape--but he was overcooked. It was such a surprise that he'd be that great that quickly that they miscalculated or gave him too much rein on his workouts. And he wasn't ready for multiple heats, but especially not ready tactically. Making the finals is a good goal, but just getting a pr would make this a successful year. Webb is a poor comparison in that he really struggled for years because of two coaching changes and impatience. He had to run every workout at Michigan completely out of the park, and it was a very different system than Razscko's inimitable one. Kessler is retaining the same coach and system, but you'd expect some hiccups from training in Flagstaff separately last fall. The fact that his camp has recognized consistently just where he was and why this spring gives you a lot of confidence first that he shouldn't be expected to dominate this year, that is, not to all of a sudden run 3:30, to come along gradually, but that he's no flash in the pan and we can expect him to get there over the course of a few years, which would be great.
Have said this before, if he makes the team this year: awesome, but he is certainly more long-term. I assume he isn't seriously in the conversation until Paris 2024.
Anyone have video of the race? I have been able to find a lot videos from yesterday but not the 1500.
king999 wrote:
It’s not at all a step back if you consider what that 3:34.36 was…
A complete “ one off stars aligned run”
he was much more like a 3:38 type who caught the perfect storm
He did run the 3:34.
That's not luck.
abob50 wrote:
Anyone have video of the race? I have been able to find a lot videos from yesterday but not the 1500.
Just Google 1500 pre classic. Its easy to find.
Really? Post the link..there is one video I can find on Runnerspace completely following the Lakeman run, which did not go very well.
Definitely not simple to find, but I clicked on the prefontaine runnerspace videos link and then on 1500/mile videos on the left and that brought up the race:
... wtf did I just watch ....
Well, I watched it and unfortunately, it is what the title says, an iso view on a high schooler named Caleb Lakeman. You see some of the other racers at the beginning and then at 1:29, and then you see Kessler come over to congratulate him at the end.
Okay, now I found the full coverage, but you have to pay for it after 15 seconds' preview. It was lower down in a longer list of 1500/mile casts, section three.
Vevo wrote:
What a weird thread. 3:34 guys are not 3:38 guys, the hint is in the name, the same way as 3:38 guys are not 3:34 guys
You can't fluke a time, either you run it or you dont. Was there a huge fan following him around the track blowing him to 3:34? No, he ran 3:34, he was a 3:34 guy. Its bizarre the kind of deluded mental gymnastics some posters pull here when fanboying.
He's also 19, has had some injury problems, it's not the end of the World to be 2 seconds off his PR that is just about a year old with weeks to go until the main focus of his year and with an injury layoff too. Its also not the end of the World if he doesn't make the team this year, there's another world champs next year because of Covid and an Olympics the year after so there's 3 major champs in the next 26 months, he'll still only be 21 by then, an age where most still haven't graduated College.
He’s not 21. He’s 19.
nope. that's the 3:38 race, not the pre 3:36.
nice efforts guys, but the disgusting truth is in 2022 watching a race like this is just a dream. maybe someday for a small fee of $5000 plus your first born child USATF will let you watch a single, unmoving cam shot of the finish line with commercials every 60 sec.
xzcvxzcv wrote:
Okay, now I found the full coverage, but you have to pay for it after 15 seconds' preview. It was lower down in a longer list of 1500/mile casts, section three.
https://www.usatf.tv/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=45365&do=videos&video_id=329189
this is not the pre 1500
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