No, the point was that it must have been added directly to the sample, as it was not consistent with the metabolites produced after ingestion. In other words, if it was added to his beer, they would have found the usual metabolites, not the raw compound.
Not saying you're incorrect, I'm truly not an expert about this. The documentary I watched it actually called "Race of the Century". One of Charlie's athletes handed over vials of what they believed were furazabol, but they were analyzed and turned out to be stanozolol. That's what the whole Dubin inquiry concluded. Do you mind pointed me to where it says the metabolites were not consistent?
Charlie Francis discussed it in detail in his book and online when he was alive. I still have the book, but it's at my other house.
Wasn't there spiked toothpaste? A German athlete? Dieter? Funnily enough I was thinking about this when I saw Keely Hodkinson being handed a water drink in cardboard packet. I know the official drinks are meant to be certified drug-free but it made me think how easy it could be for someone to spike them (like a volunteer).
Dieter Baumann, 5,000 silver and gold at 5,000 meters in 1988 and 1992 is the first name that I thought of when I saw the thread title but the question was about proven rather than suspected sabotage. He tested positive for nandrolone and claimed someone had put it into his toothpaste. It was not an unreasonable claim. Apparently his son also tested positive for it as well.
This happened against the background of German reunification. Baumann had always been outspoken about getting drugs out of the sport. He publicly argued against allowing some coaches or physiologists from the East who were believed connected to the DDR doping system from getting similar employment after reunification and there's an idea that some of them decided to sabotage him. It's a credible story but unproven.
Wasn't there spiked toothpaste? A German athlete? Dieter? Funnily enough I was thinking about this when I saw Keely Hodkinson being handed a water drink in cardboard packet. I know the official drinks are meant to be certified drug-free but it made me think how easy it could be for someone to spike them (like a volunteer).
Dieter Baumann, 5,000 silver and gold at 5,000 meters in 1988 and 1992 is the first name that I thought of when I saw the thread title but the question was about proven rather than suspected sabotage. He tested positive for nandrolone and claimed someone had put it into his toothpaste. It was not an unreasonable claim. Apparently his son also tested positive for it as well.
This happened against the background of German reunification. Baumann had always been outspoken about getting drugs out of the sport. He publicly argued against allowing some coaches or physiologists from the East who were believed connected to the DDR doping system from getting similar employment after reunification and there's an idea that some of them decided to sabotage him. It's a credible story but unproven.
What about when someone gets their spikes stolen minutes before a major international championship?
Dieter Baumann, 5,000 silver and gold at 5,000 meters in 1988 and 1992 is the first name that I thought of when I saw the thread title but the question was about proven rather than suspected sabotage. He tested positive for nandrolone and claimed someone had put it into his toothpaste. It was not an unreasonable claim. Apparently his son also tested positive for it as well.
This happened against the background of German reunification. Baumann had always been outspoken about getting drugs out of the sport. He publicly argued against allowing some coaches or physiologists from the East who were believed connected to the DDR doping system from getting similar employment after reunification and there's an idea that some of them decided to sabotage him. It's a credible story but unproven.
The fun part about the Buamann thing is that Jerry Schumacher 100% knew about it. Then went on to say he had never heard of nandrolone.
My first thought when Schumacher said he'd never heard of nondrolone was that all of us who were in the sport by the 90's had heard of nandrolone when Baumann was banned and there was no way Schumacher had never heard of it. Any credibility he had with me completely died then.
smells to high heaven cheating06/23/2021 9:54pm EDT3 years ago
I have personally talked about Baumann’s, who is the fastest non African 5000m runner and Olympic 5000m gold medalist, nandrolone bust and the toothpaste excuse he used with Schumacher. This happened at the peak of Shumacher’...
I'm a runner and I want to use nandrolone. I inject it in my tube of toothpaste, get caught, claim I was sabotaged.
I guess someone could have done that but it would have to happen after he bought it, obviously.
Toothpaste is likely not a very efficient medium for doping with nandrolone (or any other steroid) I would guess. But using steroids normally AND conveniently having spiked/sabotaged toothpaste in the household is a definite possibility. Best case, you never need to use the excuse. Worst case, you get caught and use the sabotaged toothpaste to lessen your ban. Seems like the way to go.
I would be honestly shocked if there wasn’t a document out there describing potential excuses for an athlete testing positive for a whole host of substances at various levels. Kind of like a ‘choose your adventure’ book; pick the excuse that best fits your desired narrative. And when all else fails, claim sabotage. Sounds familiar, right?
Didn't Isaac Makwala believe Wade Van Niekirk payed off officials to not allow Makwala to not enter the London WC's because he "was too sick" and forced him to scratch the 400m? I remember him arguing the food poisoning claims at least
Time and time again, when someone gets busted for doping, I hear talk of "Well maybe they were sabotaged, and someone tainted their food/drink/supplements." Alberto Salazar was apparently paranoid about this thing, to the point it was alleged he tested supplements on his son to see if a false positive could be obtained.
It all sounds intriguing in a cloak and dagger, cut throat competition sort of way, but has this ever been proven to have occurred? Now I don't mean cases like Tanya Harding, where a competitor was assaulted. I mean, has there even been a proven instance where one competitor intentionally tainted another's food or drink to obtain a false positive so they'd be knocked out of competition?
"Apparently" and "alleged" are the key words here, because the real reason Salazar was running those tests on his son was not to see if sabotage were possible, but to see how far into the grey zone he could dose his own athletes without triggering a positive test. To believe otherwise would require extreme gullibility, naivete, and ignorance.
And even if Salazar's experiments did show that this far-fetched scenario were possible, that some saboteuer could hypothetically trigger a positive test by clandestinely rubbing testo-gel on a rival's thigh -or other body part- what then, and what good is this information to Salazar? Was he planning to hire a full-time security detail to form a phalanx around Rupp 24/7?
