No woman runs sub 14:30 without PEDs. Being relevant on the world stage requires going full Lance Armstrong. So I have different benchmarks for a successful career.
The women's side is tricky. There is a lot of room between where the best Americans like Cranny or Schweizer are and where Tsegay, Gidey, Hassan and Niyonsaba are. There are a bunch of Ethiopians who have run or can run in the 14:15ish range as well.
The men's side, at least you typically get a watered down 5,000m field in the Championships. If you are in 12:55 shape and can kick you have a good medal chance.
I don't disagree though the DL seems to be quite watered down even Pre pandemic. Hasn't been since Kjelecha and Berega were hot that it's been worth a watch. I like Fisher better in championship style racing.
Last year 15 runners broke 13:00 for 5000 with two runners under 12:50. Only one american in the top 15, Paul Chelimo. 13 of these times were done on the international circuit. We have got to do better at competing at his level.
All American men made the final and placed top 15 including a medal. That’s the “top 15” for 2021, not a descending order list of fast times in races that may not matter much.
I don't disagree though the DL seems to be quite watered down even Pre pandemic. Hasn't been since Kjelecha and Berega were hot that it's been worth a watch. I like Fisher better in championship style racing.
Last year 15 runners broke 13:00 for 5000 with two runners under 12:50. Only one american in the top 15, Paul Chelimo. 13 of these times were done on the international circuit. We have got to do better at competing at his level.
The DL is so yesterday, we need to change the game and invite more world stars to join us at limited field events run on local high school tracks with coverage by smartphone video.
The US women have done nothing yet this year. Tuohy is not close to the top Americans and the top Americans are not close to being world class other than Houlihan. Tuohy has made such small improvements over the past 5 years as opposed to the elite Americans that there is no reason to believe that her lifetime potential is more than 4 minutes and 15 minutes. Those are great times for the NCAA but they are JV type times on a world stage.
Tuohy literally just PR'd by a full six seconds in the 1500 moran.
Oh sorry. My bad. So cynical of me not to think that runners could beat the Ma's Army times naturally. I mean the first to do so was Elvan Abeylegesse. No reason for cynicism there. :)
im clearly biased and i like to think that katelyn tuohy is america's hope in the 5000m although i know not everyone would think that way but i believe she has so much potential to be a really really good 5000m runner in the future, because of her 1500m time.
Hey Katelyn. Pretty cool that you use the boards. I don't think this is a hot take, you're clearly rangy enough to run both.
katelyn tuohy is an american distance runner from new york, born on march 18, 2002 — she now runs for nc state and is taking up business administration 58x new york state section 1 champion 14x new york state champion 9x new balance national champion 5x national dmr champion 3x nike national xc champion 3x nike regional xc champion 4x county xc champion 40+x xc champion all course venue records 21 new york state records (t) 4 national high school records 1 american u20 records 5x gatorade player of the year high school pr: 1500m 4:14 1 mile 4:33 (hs national record) 3000m 9:01 (hs national record) 3200m 9:47 (hs national record) *i5000m 15:37 (hs national record) college pr: 1500m 4:06 (ncaa no.7 all-time) 3000m 8:54 (american u20 junior record) 5000m 15:14 (ncaa no. 8 all-time) 6x all-american 5x all-academic 1x ncaa xc team runner up 2020 2x ncaa runner-up i5000m&i3000m 2022 2x acc champion i5000&1500m 2022 1x ncaa champion xc team 2021 1x ncaa champion 5000m 2022
Purrier dropped 20 seconds over the past 5 years? How much has Tuohy dropped in the same time? Tuohy has made small improvements as compared to elite Americans. True statement that seems to escape your understanding.
She isn't fast in the 1500. She isn't fast in the 5000. Her 1500 time would have been 29th in the US last year.
and the thread is talking about 5000m
list the american women who can run 15:14 5000m and 4:06 1500m — i dont think many pro runners have her range .. and shes just 20 years old... the thread is clearly talking about 3-7 years later
she currently ranks #9 in 1500m and #9 in 5000m in US right now .. the only runner born post 2000s in both top 20
Purrier dropped 20 seconds over the past 5 years? How much has Tuohy dropped in the same time? Tuohy has made small improvements as compared to elite Americans. True statement that seems to escape your understanding.
was purrier running 4:14 in highschool? was purrier running 4:33 mile as a 15 year old??
its quite funny how you expect katelyn to drop the same seconds as those who did not have an insane high school career, if you say other college runners drop this that time well if we are gonna follow that logic for katelyn then that is asking for a 20 year old tuohy to run 3:54 ... lol how does that work? not even african races could give you that, thats just not physically possible... phenoms like katelyn tuohy have their own timeline
katelyn ran her HS bests at the peak of her youth, and right now she is no longer in her youth and has transitioned in a different body, a much bigger, stronger body.. you look at her 1500m progression
hs - 4:14
frshman college - 4:12
sophomore college - 4:06
the fact that shes running prs for both distances at 20 years old and in a much bigger body means shes now able to transition in another level .. and it starts from here
Keep dreaming. 20 American women can do both. And she is at peak age right now. She will never be competitive at the world level but she will be very good in the NCAA.
Purrier dropped 20 seconds over the past 5 years? How much has Tuohy dropped in the same time? Tuohy has made small improvements as compared to elite Americans. True statement that seems to escape your understanding.
lol why are you comparing purrier's college-pro time improvement to katelyn tuohy's high school to sophomore college's times??
🤣🤣 how does that work??
also true statement that seems to escape your understanding is that katelyn tuohy dealt with injuries starting her junior of high school, she was able to be fully healthy just last year and now look at her running prs and breaking records again after being healthy
this site never even predicted she could break 4:10 but here we are
Keep dreaming. 20 American women can do both. And she is at peak age right now. She will never be competitive at the world level but she will be very good in the NCAA.
same energy as "she will never be good in the NCAA"
Same time period. That is what the poster said that people didn't understand. Tuohy has not improved as much as elite American over same.period even though she is younger which is when greater gains are made. It does not bode well for her future development potential.
The US women have done nothing yet this year. Tuohy is not close to the top Americans and the top Americans are not close to being world class other than Houlihan. Tuohy has made such small improvements over the past 5 years as opposed to the elite Americans that there is no reason to believe that her lifetime potential is more than 4 minutes and 15 minutes. Those are great times for the NCAA but they are JV type times on a world stage.
houlihan is what almost 30? shes caught doping but still cannot be competitive in the world stage, american women's times on the 5000m arent even great times on a world stage
katelyn tuohy is just 20 years old, shes developing well now after her college transition,now running big prs and continues to improve .. she definitely has big talent in her.. so whats not to look forward to?
Same time period. That is what the poster said that people didn't understand. Tuohy has not improved as much as elite American over same.period even though she is younger which is when greater gains are made. It does not bode well for her future development potential.
Same time period. That is what the poster said that people didn't understand. Tuohy has not improved as much as elite American over same.period even though she is younger which is when greater gains are made. It does not bode well for her future development potential.
you say "that time period" as if both had the same circumstances, they didnt
that time period, did elle purrier had a knee surgery ?? that time period did elle purrier had to deal with high school- college transition ?? did elle purrier went out of shape?? in that time period did purrier deal with body changes??
no right? so why are you comparing their times when the other runner was healthy and having an unbothered progression while the other one clearly was dealing with adversities?
all i know now is that katelyn tuohy ran 4:06 effortlessly, and ran 15:14 unchallenged and only had pacing help till 2k