I suppose that technically I MIGHT be ok with a transgender man competing in men's sports, but since they take testosterone to help them achieve the look they want, I suppose that would have to be closely monitored. Probably just easiest to say that the sex you were born with is the category of sports you can compete in.
Do you really want to see trans men competing in the women's division? Like this guy?
It’s an important issue, and men claiming to be women have affected running as well. Take him to his logical conclusion, it will mean the effective end of women’s sports. So I think it’s important, and I’m glad the brothers have it on their site.
We keep hearing this but it never happens.
Why are people under the delusion that there tons of guys out there that would go through all the trouble of a fake gender change just to win some cheapened glory in unpaid intramural sports?
Would you?
The trans debate is a small side issue in NCAA sports that is being shoved into centerstage by triggered conservatives. I do think there needs to be some clear guidelines. I don't think we are witnessing a threat to the future of women's sports.
PEDs is threat to sport. Do we feel the need to post every PED bust in other sports on our front page? No...we post PED busts in running. But for some reason we've elevated a scattering of trans athletes picking up a win here and there as red-alert code red front page news when it happens in other sports even. Clear evidence it's not about sport but more about political virtue signaling.
Not sure who the brothers are virtue signaling to…the most powerful people in America, culturally speaking, see gender as a personal choice.
Whether the Thomas’s of the world become more common is up to us. How acceptable will we allow it to become? How much will we encourage children to “follow their heart” and read ordinary adolescent problems as a signal that they live in the wrong body?
Um yeah, the world today is not as sane as it used to be now that we are calling men with dicks women. Why would people be happy about that?
Why do you care?
Because it has a profound effect on how I live, what my children are taught, and the lies that powerful people expect me to propagate about what a man or woman really are.
Because it has a profound effect on how I live, what my children are taught, and the lies that powerful people expect me to propagate about what a man or woman really are.
it has a profound effect on how you live? That's honestly just sad
I guess this whole trans debate truly has Rojo triggered. It's one thing to post about it obsessively on the boards, but putting it as top of the front page news on a running website is really a new low.
All this from a guy who doesn't really like women's sports in the first place.
Funny how a guy who loved to tear down the WNBA and told his parents not to bother watching the women's finals at NCAA because they would be 'boring', suddenly has becomed transformed into the ultimate white-knight defender and savior of the future savior of women's sports.
It's really coming across as political axe-grinding.
Just because women's sports is boring to watch does not mean woman should not have the ability to compete fairly. Will I watch any women sports? No. Does that mean a guy should be allowed to walk around naked in the woman's locker room and compete against them? No. You are the one making this political.
Why are people under the delusion that there tons of guys out there that would go through all the trouble of a fake gender change just to win some cheapened glory in unpaid intramural sports?
Would you?
The trans debate is a small side issue in NCAA sports that is being shoved into centerstage by triggered conservatives. I do think there needs to be some clear guidelines. I don't think we are witnessing a threat to the future of women's sports.
PEDs is threat to sport. Do we feel the need to post every PED bust in other sports on our front page? No...we post PED busts in running. But for some reason we've elevated a scattering of trans athletes picking up a win here and there as red-alert code red front page news when it happens in other sports even. Clear evidence it's not about sport but more about political virtue signaling.
Not sure who the brothers are virtue signaling to…the most powerful people in America, culturally speaking, see gender as a personal choice.
Whether the Thomas’s of the world become more common is up to us. How acceptable will we allow it to become? How much will we encourage children to “follow their heart” and read ordinary adolescent problems as a signal that they live in the wrong body?
How is it up to us? My children don’t have ordinary adolescent problems where they need to follow their heart and become transgender and neither do any of their classmates at their 2000 student HS. Did you have to put your foot down when your children wanted to transgender?
Trans participation in sport is obviously a hot button issue that still needs to get worked out, but I think this specific conversation has been beat to death. Lines have been drawn, we all know more-or-less where we stand on the issue, and it seems like people are generally reluctant to change their viewpoints. There's no point in shouting about your opinion or spamming the board with thread after thread on this topic (from either side of the debate, really).
Honestly reading all these trans threads is getting monotonous. Most everyone's arguments are just repetitive and lazy. What more is there to discuss here?
Why are people under the delusion that there tons of guys out there that would go through all the trouble of a fake gender change just to win some cheapened glory in unpaid intramural sports?
Would you?
The trans debate is a small side issue in NCAA sports that is being shoved into centerstage by triggered conservatives. I do think there needs to be some clear guidelines. I don't think we are witnessing a threat to the future of women's sports.
PEDs is threat to sport. Do we feel the need to post every PED bust in other sports on our front page? No...we post PED busts in running. But for some reason we've elevated a scattering of trans athletes picking up a win here and there as red-alert code red front page news when it happens in other sports even. Clear evidence it's not about sport but more about political virtue signaling.
Not sure who the brothers are virtue signaling to…the most powerful people in America, culturally speaking, see gender as a personal choice.
Whether the Thomas’s of the world become more common is up to us. How acceptable will we allow it to become? How much will we encourage children to “follow their heart” and read ordinary adolescent problems as a signal that they live in the wrong body?
You didn't even mention sport once......very clearly this outrage 'to save women;s sport' is just barely concealed fear of trans people becoming 'acceptable.' Oh the horror! People making different harmless decisions about their life than me are being accepted by society rather than outcast and shunned. Oh no! Something must be done!
It really is funny when you realize that the greatest accomplishment between the two of them is helping pace Paula. Not that they actually deserve any credit for that either. If this site had someone who had actual relevance to the sport of running in charge of it though then I guess we wouldn't have constant posts on cross fitters, the love lives of short misogynistic posters who for some reason are always single, and other things completely irrelevant to the sport. That would be terrible wouldn't it?
Because it has a profound effect on how I live, what my children are taught, and the lies that powerful people expect me to propagate about what a man or woman really are.
hahaha........wow. The world must be such a scary place for you.
I guess this whole trans debate truly has Rojo triggered. It's one thing to post about it obsessively on the boards, but putting it as top of the front page news on a running website is really a new low.
All this from a guy who doesn't really like women's sports in the first place.
Funny how a guy who loved to tear down the WNBA and told his parents not to bother watching the women's finals at NCAA because they would be 'boring', suddenly has becomed transformed into the ultimate white-knight defender and savior of the future savior of women's sports.
It's really coming across as political axe-grinding.
Just because women's sports is boring to watch does not mean woman should not have the ability to compete fairly. Will I watch any women sports? No. Does that mean a guy should be allowed to walk around naked in the woman's locker room and compete against them? No. You are the one making this political.
You are a much bigger threat to women's sport than trans people.
How is it up to us? My children don’t have ordinary adolescent problems where they need to follow their heart and become transgender and neither do any of their classmates at their 2000 student HS. Did you have to put your foot down when your children wanted to transgender?
In a HS of 2000 students, there are at least a few students who are suffering from serious gender dysphoria, and possibly more. Here are a few reasons you may not know.
1. They haven't told anyone, including their family members.
2. They have told their family members, but not anyone at school.
3. They have told their close friends, their teachers or a few school staffs, but those people haven't told anyone else at school.
4. They had already transitioned before entering HS, and only their teachers and a few school staffs know about their birth sex.
How is it up to us? My children don’t have ordinary adolescent problems where they need to follow their heart and become transgender and neither do any of their classmates at their 2000 student HS. Did you have to put your foot down when your children wanted to transgender?
In a HS of 2000 students, there are at least a few students who are suffering from serious gender dysphoria, and possibly more. Here are a few reasons you may not know.
1. They haven't told anyone, including their family members.
2. They have told their family members, but not anyone at school.
3. They have told their close friends, their teachers or a few school staffs, but those people haven't told anyone else at school.
4. They had already transitioned before entering HS, and only their teachers and a few school staffs know about their birth sex.
good lord!....someone needs to warn Mikeh33, he's surrounded!
Nah this post sucks. The mass psychosis going on where large swaths of people have accepted the idea that a biological man with a penis is actually a woman and think it's okay for him to compete as a woman to the point of stealing NCAA gold medals is definitely something worth talking about. It's definitely a redflag for a societal pathology. This isn't really just about women's sports or politics - although those issues are important as well - it's much deeper, it's about us as a society keeping our sanity.
100% agree with this. I'm personally very glad that this site's organizers haven't caved to insanity on this subject, at least not yet.
I guess this whole trans debate truly has Rojo triggered. It's one thing to post about it obsessively on the boards, but putting it as top of the front page news on a running website is really a new low.
All this from a guy who doesn't really like women's sports in the first place.
Funny how a guy who loved to tear down the WNBA and told his parents not to bother watching the women's finals at NCAA because they would be 'boring', suddenly has becomed transformed into the ultimate white-knight defender and savior of the future savior of women's sports.
It's really coming across as political axe-grinding.
I learned quite an interesting fact today. Trans-women (men) can still be eligible to compete as a woman, but still have up to 2 x the normal amount of testosterone in women. But if women take any hormone treatments to boost testosterone, they must compete on the men's team.
Considering the natural biological advantages that men have aside from testosterone, I find these rulings to be completely insane and unfair. This will hurt women's sports. This is neo-patriarchy and these women should really take a stand. Unfortunately that's not what women do best, and they have their futures and careers on the line.
I support transwomen competing in sports as women. There need to be safe and clearly defined guidelines, but excluding an entire class of people from sports is unnecessary. There are always going to be competitive disadvantages regardless of gender. In college gymnastics the entire medal winning team minus Simone Biles are competing and dominating most of the other women. Katie Ledecky and Missy Franklin among others went on and dominated NCAA swimming after winning gold medals. Many one and done basketball players were men among boys. Cole Hocker was worlds better than everyone else in the NCAA last year but nothing compared to Henry Rono and the early Kenyan runners in the NCAA. Just establish inclusive rules of competition and stop discriminating against people who you don’t understand or are different than you.