Abby Steiner 22.09

Limit the ultimate upside? She's #2 all-time. Isn't her upside confirmed at this point?

Take your racist crap elsewhere. You posted it her before. It’s not wanted.

I wonder if Abby's weird low arm action gives her some advantage on indoors banked tracks? She has insane cadence, and down the final straight her legs are bouncing like she can barely restrain them.

I thought her form looked great. Not similar, but I enjoy watching clips of Carl Lewis, Valeri Borzov and old clips of Jesse Owens

Her arm action is by design and her coaches worked on it with her. Someone posted an article about it a while back. I found the article. Here is the link to it -

youngathletehub.com

Abby Steiner Can Get Away With This, Not Sure Your Trackster Could - Young Athlete Hub

Adam Kessler

Being from Columbus, Ohio, I like to follow local athletes as they leave our city and monitor their athletic progress. One of those athletes is former Dublin Coffman track star, Abby Steiner, who is now a junior track athlete...

Link:www.youngathletehub.com/2021/03/abby-s...

In a nutshell, this is what is mentioned. It may look odd, but it seems to work for her.

My understanding is that her coaches changed up her arm carriage to swing a little more across her body and a little wider. Apparently this is by design for the banked 200M indoor tracks she runs on.

If you have run on a 200M indoor track, you know that it is tough to run all the way around at a high speed AND STAY IN YOUR LANE.

This new arm swing for Steiner was adjusted by her coaches at Kentucky. She is running at a very high rate of speed. This fast arm carriage that swings a little more outside as opposed to her normal running helps to keep her body more aligned as she is generating this high force of speed on a 200M track.

She also keeps her hands in a clenched fist. Not a tight fist. My guess is it is a relaxed fist, but I’m figuring that is to shorten her arms so she can pump them faster. If the hands and fingers are opened up, that makes a longer arm to pump. Possibly slowing you down.

I will be curious to see if she keeps this running form as she goes into outdoor with a normal sized track. If you see video of the 2019 SEC 200M outdoor championships when she was a freshman, her arm carriage is like a normal arm swing.

This works for her because she is counter-balancing the high speeds her legs are generating. Plus, she takes advantage of the banked track. Someone who isn’t quite as fast, I don’t know if this arm carriage works as effectively.

Well, you may say that the proof is in the pudding...but I don’t think it is.

That stuff is merely suggestion, with no physics behind it. Sure you can change arm action when going around a tight corner, and many good indoor sprinters do—but that’s not what this was. Yes by having balanced lateral action you can buffer the effects of lateral imbalance but if you are running correctly, that imbalance shouldn’t be there.

Neither Privalova nor Fredericks needed it to be monster indoor 200m sprinters, and Fredericks was moving WAY faster than Steiner.

Sometimes, women use the heave-ho to good effect, the last 200m great that I can remember having been an in-shape Schippers. IMO it may have something to do with front delt musculature—some women have less of it relative to pec strength, so bring the arm across to recruit more of the pec in a favorable way. You can see that both Schippers and mow Steiner had great 200m turnover maintenance, in part maybe because it takes the larger pec longer to fatigue. Who knows.

Athletes are all individual. While it his may seem to work for her, I don’t believe in the first instance their claims that it was intentional, or specifically geared to indoor racing. If she’s 21.03 indoors with that action, then she might be 20.83 outdoors. Then with a “better” arm action, she’s not 20.73 outdoors and a contender for #1.

Maybe. Time will tell. I keep watching.

Watch out for Ofili, too.
she was never under 23, and in two races, shes at 22.46… of course , chasing Steiner probably helped but she’s quite a talent.

Uhhh, you're right Steiner probably pulled her to a fast time, but ofili has always been there actually and already had an indoor pb of 22.75 and 22.23 outdoors before this season.

Ofili helped Steiner too. giving her a target the first 100. Abby was ripping up that segment

Not to change the subject here, but it is worth noting that Olympian Anavia Battle of Ohio State, soloed a 22.39 in the Big 10 championship yesterday, winning by more than a second on the flat 300 meter track at Spire in Ohio. With all these youngsters, the future of women’s sprinting looks good for the United States.

With Steiner also breaking the AR in the 300 this season, and her strong work on Kentucky’s 4x400 team, she has shown that she has great range - Allyson Felix-like range. I honestly see her more as a 200/400 runner in a few years and as she ages as a professional. The work she has done in the 60 this season has helped starts immensely. I’m anticipating big things from her last his outdoor season.

What an amazing talent. I wonder if she will go sub 22 at nationals.

The NCAA Championships are being held CrossPlex in Birmingham, Alabama. What kind of a track is there? Also, this my have already been discussed somewhere, is a 200 meter banked track faster than a 300 meter flat track? It would seem that it is based on some of the times I’ve seen this year.

Anavia Battle went 22.39 on the flat track at Spire in the Big 10 championship. That performance, understandably, was overshadowed by Abby’s 22.09, but is a huge effort. The two of them will have a great matchup.

Regardless, if Abby doesn’t go under 22 this indoor season, I think she’s good for 21.7ish this upcoming outdoor season.

This is really getting way ahead of things.

If Steiner is the real deal, and she does appear to be, I could see her at some point taking down the 400 mark of 47.60 by Marita Koch. Her immediate future and her early professional career is no doubt going to be concentrating on the 200 & 100. If she has longevity as a professional, she seems to have more of a 200/400 future and that is when Koch's record will be in jeopardy. The record is now 37 years old and it's time for it to go. More than it being and old record, though, Koch is from that Eastern Bloc time of tainted records. It's well-documented that Koch, along with many other East German track athletes, was a user of Turinabol.

If Steiner doesn't take down this record first, it could be within the reach of Shaunae Miller-Uibo, Marileidy Paulino, or Candice MacLeod. Even Athing Mu, Sydney McLaughlin, or Femke Bol could scare the record though I believe that McLaughlin and Bol will concentrate on the 400H and Mu will be too focused on the 800, Stephenie Ann McPherson's career is winding down. Out of everyone, and if she stays on track and on task, Steiner may be one of the best candidates to take down Koch' record.

Talk about getting WAY ahead of things! lol

That record's no joke. Many have tried, all have failed--even juiced.

Let's just see what she can deliver at 200m before talking about the 400m WR. The other recent such athlete was Michael Johnson, who also absolutely destroyed the existing 200m WR. Think Steiner will do that? No how, no way.

Of course I wish her the best, but she is still significantly behind someone like Schippers for instance, who had a monster 200m time, but doesn't even have a 400m PB listed--and who was of course nowhere near the 200m WR. FloJo went 21.34, but only 50.89, maybe a bit better on a relay.

Will be interesting to watch.

Other than when she trained as a heptathlete, Schippers more than likely never made a serious effort in the 400. As a heptathlete she probably ran under 800 in the 2:05-2:10 range so she probably had the range to make a serious 400 run.

I'm merely postulating on Steiner's capabilities. She can probably run the 400 near 50 now and probably has already done so on a relay. She has already run 35.80 over 300 so is it that far-fetched that if she stays around as a pro for a while that she switch over to being priarily a 200/400 runner? Perhaps when she is around 25 or 26?

I appreciate that Koch's record is no joke but it is seriously tainted. I understand your pessimism. You were in a now deleted thread making insinuations that Steiner is juiced.

Will be interesting to watch.

IMO there is no way a clean athlete is beating the 200m WR, or even the 400m WR, unless they are a once-in-many-generations talent. Steiner is not that athlete, otherwise she would be way ahead of where she is right now.

She's amazing, but those records are effed.

I believe she is running clean. I also believe she is gifted athlete and she trains well.

USTFCCA Athlete of the Week for the 3rd time this season

ukathletics.com

Abby Steiner Named USTFCCCA Athlete of the Week

The senior sprinter earned this award through her American record-breaking performance at SEC Championships

Link:ukathletics.com/news/2022/3/1/track-fi...