Heck, take out all the Sahlmans and Youngs and they still have 9:05, 9:09, 9:11 and 9:23 yesterday. Looks like one guy of 8 had an off day in February. I probably missed someone, too. Solid.
Whatever criticisms are leveled against Brosnan the fact that he's producing more good runners than just the obvious NP 4 shows that he's building a good program. How long he stays there remains to be seen.
Phenomenal! The kind of occurrence that sends a shock to the system: disbelief, suspicion, joy....it's almost too good to be true. But there it is. Glad I got to see it partly because I never coulda predicted it!
I have a genuine and honest question- what all is he responsible for coaching in his program? I have sub-10 guys, but also girls who just want to break 15. I would imagine this program is huge? Do they make cuts? Are there time cutoffs? Is there a separate "jv" coach?
He tries to keep it small to aid in individual devlopment by requiring a high level of commitment/work ethic. They have time cuttoffs for newcomers, but he has stated that he has allowed kids that dint make the time cuttoffs to be on the team because they've shown that theyre willing to put in the same work as the talented kids. His wife and some parents are assistants, but with a program of ~60 people he doesnt really need to divvy up the levels between coaches
At worst they run 16:40, no way any of the four boys runs slower that 4:10 even in a crowded race where they are likely lapping other runners. I say 16:15-16:20.
Let me guess the coach came running out onto the track after the race to hug his athletes once again putting himself in the spotlight
I think having an athlete break four minutes is a big deal, so I don't fault Brosnan for getting excited & hugging Colin Sahlman. I haven't seen evidence that he does it otherwise. I wasn't there last night but since he organized the meet my guess is that his time was taken up with questions from coaches & others.
Let me guess the coach came running out onto the track after the race to hug his athletes once again putting himself in the spotlight
Please don’t criticize the coach or this thread will be deleted. Specifically don’t mention any of his lies regarding his fictitious PR’s or false All-American honors.
It looks as if Doshi has turned the corner, and is coming into the same performance level that A. Sahlman was at this point last year. Sub 9 is very doable.
Seems like an off race for lex? Truly incredible for a 8:43 to be an “off race” for the third man on the team, but after his race at the armory a couple weeks ago I would have though he would be closer
Not even close. Super Spike conversion is minimal of 8 seconds for a two mile. They are obviously great. But nothing new. And their coach is right, 4:20 is t fast, when you’re wearing super spikes. It’s an old school 4:24-4:25.
just absolute insanity for February. Can’t wait to see what these guys do later in spring
Great runs for all of them. And I believe its "Colin".
Actually, let's see what they do later in their careers. Looks like Nico is off to a decent start. But I'm not convinced of the validity of their talent until they do something later.
Oh is that harsh? isn't this the way we talk about prodigy girls? Yes? Okay. Moving right along.
I'm not convinced of national programs. I read Marc Bloom's book about FM and what I took from it, was "was I a national class runner and just didn't know it?" Year after year some school in suburban Syracuse churns out the best in the country. But not one of them has really had a decent career on the male or female side beyond high school. So many great athletes, and yet...
Maybe it's the result of hard training. Maybe its the result of something else. Many of the FM runners went to college and claimed things just "weren't the same" and they weren't as close as when they were back on magical FM. But if you read between the lines you start to discover that they actually had a lot of unhealthy practices there. Several of the girls suffered devastating injuries because they tripped and fell.......... the boys didn't fare much better either.
There's a fine balance between celebrating the accomplishments of a national class program and questioning whether or not it's natural to achieve this many star athletes at one school. NP might make more sense as three of the boys come from one family. But I'm hesitant to jump up and down when I see stuff like this.
Two important pointere:
It's easy to make a HS kid be obsessed with a sport. There options are limited. It's easy to convince them it's the best thing in the world. What often happens in college is kids start to have options and possibilities. They realize running isn't the greatest thing in the world and devoting all the time and energy to one thing is a bit crazy.
Second, intense training sets you apart. Most HS kids aren't training that hard. If your team does, it makes you seem much better than others. Others catch up once they too start training as hard.
Great runs for all of them. And I believe its "Colin".
Actually, let's see what they do later in their careers. Looks like Nico is off to a decent start. But I'm not convinced of the validity of their talent until they do something later.
Oh is that harsh? isn't this the way we talk about prodigy girls? Yes? Okay. Moving right along.
I'm not convinced of national programs. I read Marc Bloom's book about FM and what I took from it, was "was I a national class runner and just didn't know it?" Year after year some school in suburban Syracuse churns out the best in the country. But not one of them has really had a decent career on the male or female side beyond high school. So many great athletes, and yet...
Maybe it's the result of hard training. Maybe its the result of something else. Many of the FM runners went to college and claimed things just "weren't the same" and they weren't as close as when they were back on magical FM. But if you read between the lines you start to discover that they actually had a lot of unhealthy practices there. Several of the girls suffered devastating injuries because they tripped and fell.......... the boys didn't fare much better either.
There's a fine balance between celebrating the accomplishments of a national class program and questioning whether or not it's natural to achieve this many star athletes at one school. NP might make more sense as three of the boys come from one family. But I'm hesitant to jump up and down when I see stuff like this.
Two important pointere:
It's easy to make a HS kid be obsessed with a sport. There options are limited. It's easy to convince them it's the best thing in the world. What often happens in college is kids start to have options and possibilities. They realize running isn't the greatest thing in the world and devoting all the time and energy to one thing is a bit crazy.
Second, intense training sets you apart. Most HS kids aren't training that hard. If your team does, it makes you seem much better than others. Others catch up once they too start training as hard.
There's some truth in this. If the natural talent is there it will come out later with more intensive college coaching as well as increased mileage. Cole Hocker ran 1:51 and 4:07 for the 1600 and 9:13 for 3200 as a high school senior. But if someone who didn't know his background looked at these marks they might project him as another decent collegiate runner. Now we know that he ran very low mileage and once he got to college with higher mileage and greater intensity the talent blossomed into something more than just another decent collegiate runner.