The thing is I want to cheer for Yakob too but all these fanboys acting like we're on the cusp of a 3:25 at every waking moment make it hard to. The reason this subject keeps coming up is because of that. The pragmatic naysayers are just reacting to that.
This is fair and I get that, but I think there are less hypemen around Jakob, and compared to many of the other hyped runners he is at least world class. All the talk about records is just noise untill it happens, the battle of the WC title this year is more than enough excitement, and here its guaranteed that Yakob is a top contender.
I'm not refuting that running multiple fast rounds in a single week is a hindrance. A formal wr attempt certainly has the potential to be faster than the Tokyo olympic final given that Ingebrigtsen wouldnt need to lead during the first half of the race, run rounds, or swing wide to overtake anyone. That's the upside.
However let's not neglect to consider the downside. Firstly, the magic of THE olympic final, racing for all the marbles against the fastest in the world is certainly an X factor. Secondly, we have to consider the impact of not having a runner of Timothy's caliber to latch onto until the final 100m. Even the best pacer is going to drop out by 1000m, leaving you to run the final 500m alone. What Timothy did for Ingebrigtsen would not be able to be replicated in a formal wr attempt.
Overall, a formal wr attempt could definitely have more favorable conditions than Tokyo. But it is also true that the conditions in Tokyo were very favorable for Ingebrigtsen.
I don't want to make a bold statement in regard to J. Ingebrigtsen and 1500m outdoor world record. More than two seconds is far away from 3:26. J. Ingebrigtsen's 3:30.6x does not offer encouragement. Many posters on this site seem to believe 3:30.6x indoors means 3:26 outdoors is likely. Over the past 40 years, indoor tracks have gotten much faster. Heck, in 1970's cigar smoking was allowed at many indoor meets. In the old days, gals & guys raced slower indoors, not necessarily anymore. Smart money says J. Ingebrigtsen will NOT break 1500m world record.
It's called learning from the greats and adapting it to yourself. There is no Super Secret Training™ to be stolen.
Yes I agree, I was replying to Passant.
Although in Aouita's case he added nothing new except peds. And I agree with Passant that Morceli learned from Aouita how to cheat. Standing on the shoulders of giants while injecting EPO into your blood.
It's called learning from the greats and adapting it to yourself. There is no Super Secret Training™ to be stolen.
Yes I agree, I was replying to Passant.
Although in Aouita's case he added nothing new except peds. And I agree with Passant that Morceli learned from Aouita how to cheat. Standing on the shoulders of giants while injecting EPO into your blood.
Aouita would stand on the shoulders of big dudes while injecting himself with EPO?
I'm not refuting that running multiple fast rounds in a single week is a hindrance. A formal wr attempt certainly has the potential to be faster than the Tokyo olympic final given that Ingebrigtsen wouldnt need to lead during the first half of the race, run rounds, or swing wide to overtake anyone. That's the upside.
However let's not neglect to consider the downside. Firstly, the magic of THE olympic final, racing for all the marbles against the fastest in the world is certainly an X factor. Secondly, we have to consider the impact of not having a runner of Timothy's caliber to latch onto until the final 100m. Even the best pacer is going to drop out by 1000m, leaving you to run the final 500m alone. What Timothy did for Ingebrigtsen would not be able to be replicated in a formal wr attempt.
Overall, a formal wr attempt could definitely have more favorable conditions than Tokyo. But it is also true that the conditions in Tokyo were very favorable for Ingebrigtsen.
When Jakob runs 3:25 you're gonna say you called it.
Although in Aouita's case he added nothing new except peds. And I agree with Passant that Morceli learned from Aouita how to cheat. Standing on the shoulders of giants while injecting EPO into your blood.
Find a place to your country (or any scandinave coutry) in this list of winners after 1973.
World Athletics Cross Country Championships is the most important competition in international cross country running. Formerly held annually and organised by World Athletics (formerly the IAAF), it was inaugurated in 1973, wh...
I'm trying to figure out who Igerbrigtsen is. Still searching. Is he the one who competes against Kitar?
That's the pronunciation the flotrack announcer used when Jakob at 17 beat Centro and a good field of Americans in the 1500m at Stanford or somewhere in California in an early season meet a few years ago.
You mean like how Aouita stole Coe's training, added blood doping and HGH, and claimed to have invented 'special methods'?
I changed my mind, the true cowards were the British which were avoiding each others (it's a well known fact between Coe and Ovett).
The only exception for Aouita is when he chosen the 5000m in the Olympic Games 1984 at the last time. That was because he promised to King Hassan II a gold medal one year before. I he didn't take a risk to disappoint him.
Look at the face of Coe at the end of this race ... or the "douche froide" of the British pride.
The 1985 Olso Bislett Games. Steve Cram ends Sebastian Coe's claim to the World Record in the Mile, beating Coe in the process. A noteworthy performance inde...
Calling El G fearless is a weird take. He was incredible in paced diamond league races where he got help up to 1000-1200 meters and then blasted home. But he was never willing to push from the gun in world championship races, and almost always had a pacemaker sacrifice his race to set the pace for him. If Tim C can solo a 3:29, I dont see why El G couldnt have run 3:27 high by himself either. Go watch the '99,'01,'03 WC races, his teammate just blasts the first 800 before pretty much giving up and then El G takes it from there.
Jakob has honestly been more fearless in his worlds/olympics races. Taking the lead in the Olympics (with Tim C eventually passing though) and even making a bold move for the win in the 5000 when he was just 18 in Doha.
I think its less about indoor/outdoor conversions (which are minimal I agree) and more about being in 3:30 shape in February, likely off of mostly threshold work. He ran 3:31 high at this time last year, so if he can progress at a similar level across the rest of the season I think 3:26 is possible. Obviously progress is not linear so we will see what happens, but I think hes in a good spot now.
Calling El G fearless is a weird take. He was incredible in paced diamond league races where he got help up to 1000-1200 meters and then blasted home. But he was never willing to push from the gun in world championship races, and almost always had a pacemaker sacrifice his race to set the pace for him. If Tim C can solo a 3:29, I dont see why El G couldnt have run 3:27 high by himself either. Go watch the '99,'01,'03 WC races, his teammate just blasts the first 800 before pretty much giving up and then El G takes it from there.
Jakob has honestly been more fearless in his worlds/olympics races. Taking the lead in the Olympics (with Tim C eventually passing though) and even making a bold move for the win in the 5000 when he was just 18 in Doha.
All I have seen from the last year is a Jakob letting others take the lead until the las 200m.
It's called learning from the greats and adapting it to yourself. There is no Super Secret Training™ to be stolen.
Yes I agree, I was replying to Passant.
Although in Aouita's case he added nothing new except peds. And I agree with Passant that Morceli learned from Aouita how to cheat. Standing on the shoulders of giants while injecting EPO into your blood.