Theoretical high school team of ritz, rupp, webb, hall, solinsky(at 17-18 yrs old). Do they beat Newbury Park top 5?

appleford ran 8:56 as a junior wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

We’ll just assume it’s on the Garmin RunningLane course and all the dudes are in their senior year and have the shoe tech the NP kids do so we can use the NP times.

Then it's not fair because Leo, Lex and Aaron are only juniors.

I thought the question was NP this year vs. the all-time greats as seniors? Ritz would have beat them all as a junior but obviously the other guys would be fairly back.

Imimpresssed wrote:

coachy wrote:

What if we change out NP's 5th man with a T-Rex. Then who wins?

T-Rex, nice addition. That should be added to the options in the NP challenge generator thread.

Thanks. Where should we slot the T-Rex in on the scoring?

I thought it was equally as dumb as all these NP dream matchups.

coach brosnan wrote:

Solinsky 1359? Lol

You are either actually Sean Brosnan and biased or like 15 years old and can’t remember Solinsky in HS. He absolutely crushed everyone. Won FL by 20 seconds in one of the fastest times ever on that course, crushing the likes of Ben True, Bobby Curtis, Tim Nelson, et al. He was one of the best HS cross country runners of all time. His FL victory was (and I believe remains) the largest margin of victory at the meet of all time. All due respect to Sahlman and the Young brothers, but they are not at that level of dominance.

He ran 4:03 and 8:43 with old shoe tech, back when there were not national, TT-tailored meets like there are today. Given the shoes are worth 3-5 seconds per mile, you do the math on whether Sahlman et al would be able to hang. I seriously doubt it.

I think 1-2 for Ritz and Solinsky, in some order, is basically a given. Given NP’s 5th obviously would be last in this 10-person dual meet, NP can’t come back from that.

Thinking the shoes are 3-5 seconds a mile on the track is absolutely absurd wtf. Do you guys think they have jetpacks in the shoes or something?

xcrunner22765 wrote:

Thinking the shoes are 3-5 seconds a mile on the track is absolutely absurd wtf. Do you guys think they have jetpacks in the shoes or something?

lmao...this

xcrunner22765 wrote:

Thinking the shoes are 3-5 seconds a mile on the track is absolutely absurd wtf. Do you guys think they have jetpacks in the shoes or something?

They have done a lot of research for the road shoes, not as much for the track. But I don’t really think that somewhere in the middle can be denied with respect to the Dragonfly after the season that shoe had across the board. 9-15 seconds over 5000m seems conservative given what we know thus far.

GOPrunnerboi wrote:

xcrunner22765 wrote:

Thinking the shoes are 3-5 seconds a mile on the track is absolutely absurd wtf. Do you guys think they have jetpacks in the shoes or something?

lmao...this

Also could be read as — you guys are all high schoolers and want to believe your times can be compared straight up to the school records, meet records, etc. when they just simply can’t.

If you think Joshua Cheptegei is actually fitter than Kenenisa Bekele was in 2004-2005, I don’t know what to tell you, man.

birdbeard wrote:

GOPrunnerboi wrote:

lmao...this

Also could be read as — you guys are all high schoolers and want to believe your times can be compared straight up to the school records, meet records, etc. when they just simply can’t.

If you think Joshua Cheptegei is actually fitter than Kenenisa Bekele was in 2004-2005, I don’t know what to tell you, man.

Re: the race —

Old guys win.

Re: the shoes —

I’m not a high schooler and I don’t think the shoes are worth that much. There was a much bigger difference in shoe tech from the shoes Ryun ran in to what Webb ran in, than it is from Webb to now.

coachy wrote:

blue man wrote:

Very close but old guys crush their 5th in larger race.

NP 2-6-7-8-10. - 33

Old 1-3-4-5-9. - 22

What if we change out NP's 5th man with a T-Rex. Then who wins?

…or s starving pet hippo?

coachy wrote:

blue man wrote:

Very close but old guys crush their 5th in larger race.

NP 2-6-7-8-10. - 33

Old 1-3-4-5-9. - 22

What if we change out NP's 5th man with a T-Rex. Then who wins?

Nobody, they'd all be dead.

LOLz. I dk tho.. Ritz with the shoe tech might be able to run away from the T Rex.

Facts: Chris Solinsky was a monster. Absolute monster.

coach brosnan wrote:

5k Xc course, moderate to minimal elevation changes.

Who wins? Do the high school versions of ritz, rupp, webb, hall, solinsky have what it takes to take down the great newbury park.

Thoughts?

As a side story —

That collection of High schoolers went on to produce some great times:

Ritz - 12:56 / 27:22 / 2:07

Rupp - 3:50 / 7:30 / 12:58 / 26:44 / 2:06

Solinsky - 12:55 / 26:59

Hall - 59:43 / 2:06

Webb - 1:43 / 3:46 / 27:34, prob 12:50 talent

coachy wrote:

What if we change out NP's 5th man with a T-Rex. Then who wins?

T-Rex is not known for intelligence or tactical savvy.

It would follow Webb when he sprints away from the pack at the halfway point and fade badly.

5k record wrote:

coach brosnan wrote:

5k Xc course, moderate to minimal elevation changes.

Who wins? Do the high school versions of ritz, rupp, webb, hall, solinsky have what it takes to take down the great newbury park.

Thoughts?

As a side story —

That collection of High schoolers went on to produce some great times:

Ritz - 12:56 / 27:22 / 2:07

Rupp - 3:50 / 7:30 / 12:58 / 26:44 / 2:06

Solinsky - 12:55 / 26:59

Hall - 59:43 / 2:06

Webb - 1:43 / 3:46 / 27:34, prob 12:50 talent

yeah but what were their 5k xc times?

NP has 3 faster than Ritz...

GOPrunnerboi wrote:

5k record wrote:

As a side story —

That collection of High schoolers went on to produce some great times:

Ritz - 12:56 / 27:22 / 2:07

Rupp - 3:50 / 7:30 / 12:58 / 26:44 / 2:06

Solinsky - 12:55 / 26:59

Hall - 59:43 / 2:06

Webb - 1:43 / 3:46 / 27:34, prob 12:50 talent

yeah but what were their 5k xc times?

NP has 3 faster than Ritz...

Nice attempt. If only it were so simple as picking the fastest course and then running faster. I’m pretty sure I could find a downhill mile to prove I’m better than Webb ever was.

What NBP should do, is look at those guys and focus on breaking 13 in the 5k. I think their Achilles heel will be speed. They all seem pretty so I’m hoping Brosnan gets them in some nice speed sessions and maybe short races.

Well, ok then wrote:

coachy wrote:

What if we change out NP's 5th man with a T-Rex. Then who wins?

T-Rex is not known for intelligence or tactical savvy.

It would follow Webb when he sprints away from the pack at the halfway point and fade badly.

No, we already know the answer to that question. Webb was gobbled up by the pack.

The all-time team of Ritz, Webb, Hall, Solinsky, and Rupp would win easily against the current Newbury Park team and narrowly against a Newbury Park team of Lex, Leo, and Nico Young (as a senior), plus Colin and Aaron Sahlman.

Ritz ran 14:10 solo on a course where Riley Hough, who just ran 14:10-15 at Running Lane, ran 14:49 or 14:50. That same year, Ritz also took third at World Junior XC champs, with Bekele 1st and a college frosh Teg in 5th. Ritz then ran 13:51 and 13:44.7 on the track. He was 4th at NCAA XC as a freshman, same as Nico Young. Ritz wins.

Alan Webb, who ran an easy 8:45 2M indoors and 3:59.7, followed by 1:47/3:53 HSR and Junior Record outdoors, was 20 seconds back of Ritz in xc on a warm, humid day in Orlando in 2000, but note that he had just done a monster workout with little relevance to xc. Fresh, he would have been competitive with Ritz and destroyed these boys.

Ryan Hall was further back at 14:55 and in that condition would have lost to all five of the reenforced NP guys. However, that was when he was undergoing accutane treatments that had worsened his ability considerably. It was later that winter when not being treated, I believe, that he ran a partly downhill 10 miler in a very fast time, as I recall. What I could find was just about workouts prior to his senior xc season (see below). He ran 3:42.7 outdoors, 4 flat equivalent.

HALL: I see myself as being very good at all of the distances, but I really like the mile the most. It’s what I’m the most passionate about, but I see myself as a good cross country runner as well. Hopefully, when I go to college I’ll do well in cross country which I think I’m pretty good at. I think I’ll do well at the longer distance (10k in college versus 5k in high school) because I’m doing 10 mile threshold runs now so 10k should seem shorter than that.

LETSRUN: What type of pace are we talking about for these threshold runs?

HALL: It depends on where and when I do them. I did one at 5:20 pace at lower altitude. Up here (in Big Bear), I did 8 miles at 5:26, but I’m getting stronger and stronger every week.

NP was doing 5:15 or a little better for 4M tempo at sea level in season, while Hall was doing 5:20 for 10M lactate threshold below Big Bear (no idea what altitude) but 8M at 7000 ft at 5:26 pace!

Solinsky was a great hs runner and was not challenged at all in his national championship, run in an exceptionally fast time, among the best ever. Nico alone from NP could have beaten him.

Galen Rupp lost Footlocker when Withrow ran away from the field and Rupp didn't respond in time, but this is a kid who was undefeated, I believe, prior to that race, and ran 13:37 5000m to break Lindgren's record (Ritz had been just behind Lindgren's time). He could time trial like no one's business and has to be above Sahlmans and maybe even Nico Young, but I'm going to put him behind Ritz, Webb, Young, Solinsky, and Hall.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Well, ok then wrote:

[quote]coachy wrote:

What if we change out NP's 5th man with a T-Rex. Then who wins?

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Solinsky was a great hs runner and was not challenged at all in his national championship, run in an exceptionally fast time, among the best ever. Nico alone from NP could have beaten him.

Galen Rupp lost Footlocker when Withrow ran away from the field and Rupp didn't respond in time, but this is a kid who was undefeated, I believe, prior to that race, and ran 13:37 5000m to break Lindgren's record (Ritz had been just behind Lindgren's time). He could time trial like no one's business and has to be above Sahlmans and maybe even Nico Young, but I'm going to put him behind Ritz, Webb, Young, Solinsky, and Hall.

Solinsky ran 14:41 at FootLocker solo and 8:43 solo. You’re really going to do him dirty with that small comment? Solinsky would lose to no one from NBP. Nico is great, and watching him dominate at NXN his senior year was an incredible thing. But no way does he finish within 5 seconds of the ROCKET.

What if they raced today? (at current ages).

Does Rupp win in a 5k off all his marathon training? Or is he too slow now......

Who is last place? a gimped/injured Solinsky or a 230 pound roided Ryan Hall?

I'd say:

1. NP

2.NP

3. Rupp

4. NP

5.NP

6.NP

7. Webb

8. Ritz

9. Solinsky

10. Hall (but is able to deadlift 500 lbs at the end!)

hugenuts wrote:

What if you sub out Newbury's fifth for Nico in his senior year of hs?

I’ll run my all time California team , not NBP against them.

German Fernandez Riverbank HS 2007 cross 8:34 2mile

Eric Hulst Laguna Beach HS 75 cross 8:44 2mile/28:55 10k

Terry William Lompoc HS 72 cross 8:54 and 14:08 5k

Richard Kimball De La Salle HS 73 cross 8:46/13:43 3mile World Junior Cross Champ

Mitch Kingery San Carlos HS 73 cross (his Jr year) 8;57:13:56/2:23 marathon

Jeff Nelson Burbank HS 78 cross 8:36 2mile

Tom Hunt Patric Henry HS 75 cross 8:45 2 mile

Now that would be a dual meet. I picked these seven because they were so dominant in there day.

Still I’m not sure if my magical team would beat NBP with Nico.