This should be the Quote of the Decade regarding trans athletes participating in elite women's sport

Like the Democratic Party saving every 'victim' in distress? Opportunism is ubiquitous and comes well camouflaged.

There are many non-threats that are opportunistically used as threats. Jussie Smollett is a perfect example.

same ol, but different wrote:

TypicalLRPoster wrote:

Now your post actually makes sense. Some of this may also be driven by insecure men who want to be the white knight saving the damsel in distress. Sexism is ubiquitous and comes well camouflaged.

Like the Democratic Party saving every 'victim' in distress? Opportunism is ubiquitous and comes well camouflaged.

Yes and like the Republican Party saving every victim with no signs of distress. You nailed it.

same ol, but different wrote:

There are many non-threats that are opportunistically used as threats. Jussie Smollett is a perfect example.

Dude, can you stay in a lane? You don't seem to have a coherent point other than liberal-vs-conservative word association. Like I swear your next post will be about Benghazi or something. Can you try and connect this to the conversation in some way? (Other than "something made me think of it")

what 20 something has a cartoon avatar as his profile pic? wrote:

Rojo, your obsession with trans athletes is gross, if not disturbing. You need help

You may not care but the guy's largest passion, that he makes a living out of, is the sport of track and field. One can pretty easily see why the jeopardizing of the entire female half of T&F and other female sports beyond is a big deal, no?

Hey guy/ gal, i know you probably worked really hard on that post and feel even kind of proud of it but.... Sorry to break it to you, it's not very good. Most of your analogies are crap. The razorblade thing, as you stated, it never actually happened. The participants competing in the woman's division with extremely elevated testosterone and therefore an advantage over biological females, THAT has happened several times already [ remember when intersex athletes swept the medals in the 800m prior to the new rules? Yeah that was kinda big]. Maybe they weren't Trans, but the advantage/issue was the same. And trans athletes have won championships in girls high school sports [ not sure about beyond that]

Believe it or not some people actually are not in a moral panic but get extremely frustrated by something that makes zero logical sense to them. Also as I pointed out there have been women athletes that have been very much harmed by the "let's look the other way at high testosterone intersex or trans athletes competing in the women's division" attitude. YOUR attitude seems to be "hey, it's just a few women adversely affected by trans or intersex "women" beating them, so let's just not worry about it too much. "

A] tell that to the woman unfairly robbed of a gold medal!

B] if we're not going to get too "panicked" over just a few women being adversely affected by trans or intersex athletes having an unfair advantage over them, because it's only a small total being hurt, then that argument can be turned on its face and be pushed right back at people like you: why are we in a panic over a few intersex or trans athletes being told they need to lower their testosterone or they can't compete in the women's division? It's only a few, right? Why worry about the sensitivities and treatment of trans or intersex athletes or people at all when they only make up a small percentage of our population? Is not that many people, right?

The question is simply fairness and the woman's division exists simply as a protected group against people, generally men, that have much higher testosterone levels which give them an athletic advantage which is why the best men always beat the best woman easily.

On one level it's a complex issue, on another it's very simple. The options are:

1] keep the women's division protected against those with the " male testosterone advantage"

2] let whoever wants to compete in the women's division compete there with no questions asked/ no defining standards

3] or simply eliminate the women's division.

Almost no one wants option three. If you allow option 2, there will absolutely be situations, as there have been in the past, where women with normal testosterone [ i.e., not intersex or trans] will lose precious medals that they spent their lives dreaming of and training for to athletes with a clear- cut male tetsosterone advantage. Now maybe that doesn't bother you on any level but it bothers some people from a rational and fairness point of view, and i think it should.

"Think of the children!!"

h8 to say it wrote:

what 20 something has a cartoon avatar as his profile pic? wrote:

Rojo, your obsession with trans athletes is gross, if not disturbing. You need help

You may not care but the guy's largest passion, that he makes a living out of, is the sport of track and field. One can pretty easily see why the jeopardizing of the entire female half of T&F and other female sports beyond is a big deal, no?

I thought his largest passion was to maximize the page view count...

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

Hey guy/ gal, i know you probably worked really hard on that post and feel even kind of proud of it but.... Sorry to break it to you, it's not very good. Most of your analogies are crap.

You cannot follow that with anything you expect me to read, but if I did, I'd probably just say the moral panic energy is strong. Just like those people concerned over men coming into the bathroom with their daughters to molest them. The energy can't just be drawn from an obsession with right and wrong. The times they are a changin

Here it goes again wrote:

same ol, but different wrote:

There are many non-threats that are opportunistically used as threats. Jussie Smollett is a perfect example.

Dude, can you stay in a lane? You don't seem to have a coherent point other than liberal-vs-conservative word association. Like I swear your next post will be about Benghazi or something. Can you try and connect this to the conversation in some way? (Other than "something made me think of it")

Oh, ok. Wait... wasn't you saying something about Satan? Sheesh.

Here it goes again wrote:

"Think of the children!!"

Dead pedo Joseph Rosenbaum certainly did.

ReXXXing is a perfect example of a guy who would likely sexually harass these same women he is so desperate to protect from having to compete against these “monsters” he abhors because they don’t comport with his ideal of femininity and therefore his greedy paws have no use for fondling. Most of us know the type. ReXXXing where is your passion for something that really impacts the collective? You are tilting at windmills because it makes you feel righteous.

IOC just gave individual sports the ability to set their own rules instead of trying to come up with a blanket rule for all sports. That would allow sports like equestrian, ping pong, archery, etc. where testosterone is not as much of an advantage to have more forgiving standards than sports like T&F where it can be a big advantage. No reason for everyone to lose their sh#t at this point.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

h8 to say it wrote:

You may not care but the guy's largest passion, that he makes a living out of, is the sport of track and field. One can pretty easily see why the jeopardizing of the entire female half of T&F and other female sports beyond is a big deal, no?

I thought his largest passion was to maximize the page view count...

We know that he’s on the spectrum and that he was most likely abused in some way as a child, but we want Rojo to know that we are HERE TO HELP!

same ol, but different wrote:

Oh, ok. Wait... wasn't you saying something about Satan? Sheesh.

It wouldn't surprise me that you couldn't understand the difference between an illustrative analogy and a random intonation of "whatabout jussie smollet tho"

Here it goes again wrote:

same ol, but different wrote:

Oh, ok. Wait... wasn't you saying something about Satan? Sheesh.

It wouldn't surprise me that you couldn't understand the difference between an illustrative analogy and a random intonation of "whatabout jussie smollet tho"

It wouldn't, or, it doesn't???

You're not as bright as you think you are.

carmine9 wrote:

I used to joke that I had the American Record for 800 meters -- for women.

Now lots of guys can do this.

With $$ involved, why wouldn't a 1:52 male just compete as a woman?

Win the OG

Put on a wig and make it so.

Where'd all the feminists go? You either want to protect and support women's sports or you don't. Just because some dude wants to compete as a woman doesn't make it fair to real women. Liberals have confused the message. Women shoukd be supported and trans people should still be treated respectfully. Respect doesn't mean you get to steal a woman's trophy.

the tl;dr of tyrone's post is that your comparison to moral panics like razor candy and satanic preschools is that biological males HAVE won medals in women's track events and it is not even up for debate. semenya has xy chromosomes and the testosterone levels of a typical man, and she dominated the 800 for years. so your comparison is in bad faith.

trans people/people with "differences in sexual development" should be respected and left to live their lives without harassment. however, competing in sanctioned athletic events is not a human right. at some point you have to draw a line. we do this for PEDs. testosterone is literally a PED.