Delusional Seth Demoor? Wants to be top 3 at NYC

He won't even break 2:20 in NYC course.

I'll Take This One... wrote:

Monday Morning Excuse Vlog Viewer Comments:

fattyMidpack: That's OK, Seth. Still my hero.

MountainBoi: Let's see if any of those Kenyans dare challenge you on Pike's Peak? U da man!!!!

SJDSupaFan1154: That still buttered my bread!

SpeedyGirl6000: OMG! I saw you at mile 10 in Brooklyn!!! Did you hear me cheering for you?

DeMoor'sArmy: Great running with you in Central Park day before the race with many DGR members! Buttah mah bread!!!

Newb53Runner: You should totally do CIM now since it is downhill and fast AF.

MonsignorMiles: You were probably the fastest non-druggie out there. Show them at the next Olympics, bro!

JogMommy45: You are still a champion in our hearts!!! Shout out to True Love!

Lol this is pretty funny.

I've read some of the LRC threads about SJD, but this is the first video of his I watched. I only did it to see if he said he wanted to be top 3 American or top 3 in his age group. He said top 3 American, so I'd say some of the ridicule in this thread is deserved, as that's not a realistic goal. Otherwise he seems like a positive guy, so I guess he's the type of person LRC would make fun of.

ok, but what is your prediction? do you think there is 3 americans better than him right now? with all the masive training block Seth had?

coachmandy wrote:

B Franklin wrote:

Lol this is pretty funny.

I've read some of the LRC threads about SJD, but this is the first video of his I watched. I only did it to see if he said he wanted to be top 3 American or top 3 in his age group. He said top 3 American, so I'd say some of the ridicule in this thread is deserved, as that's not a realistic goal. Otherwise he seems like a positive guy, so I guess he's the type of person LRC would make fun of.

ok, but what is your prediction? do you think there is 3 americans better than him right now? with all the masive training block Seth had?

These are the Americans entered as of August 19, 2021 with PRs under 2:15

Noah Droddy

Shadrack Biwott

Elkanah Kibet

Kevin Lewis

Matt Llano

Brendan Martin

Nathan Martin

John Raneri

Brian Shrader

Ben True*

Ryan Vail

Jared Ward

*debut Marathon but is one of the American favorites

If I am not mistaken, Seth is not even starting with the elites, so if he is running 2:20 pace, he may be running alone. It is surprising New Balance couldn't get the 2x Pikes Peak champ into the elite corral.

Ackley wrote:

COrunner12 wrote:

I’ve run 2:24, and Seth has beaten me pretty handily in races we’ve done (trail). He has the talent to be a 2:16-2:18 guy, maybe even 2:13-2:15. But that is still worlds away from being top 3 or top American in a major.

I haven't watched the video yet, but I think Seth is a 2:17:00 guy based on what he showed in Amsterdam

The problem is he actually needs to train like a 2:17 guy. Running 140 slow miles each week isn't going to get him anywhere close. Is SJD going to become a one-trick pike's peak pony?

His training for the roads is so ass backwards, it pains me to follow him.

2:26 will be a good result for him considering his training.

Kenaneeser Beckelay wrote:

His training for the roads is so ass backwards, it pains me to follow him.

2:26 will be a good result for him considering his training.

this^ I predict 2:24-2:26 going out in 1:09 for the first half

bcdgv wrote:

He said Top 3

35-39 age group

This seems very different from what is being said. His goals seem to go from easiest to hardest. We wants to PR. Reach goal is sub-2:20, which should honestly be doable for him with good pacing. Dream goal is a top-3 AG but you never really know who is gonna show up & how people do there. The pro field could take those slots but if he runs 2:19 he would probably be there. Gabius ran 2:12 in 2019 for 35-39. 2nd & 3rd were both 2:23.

He said top 3 American not top 3 age group.

Somebody gets it.

Without watching the video, you’re saying Seth expects to be within binocular distance of lead pack? Seth better pray to Jesus for an EPO/cocaine speedball the size of Bekele’s left nut to wash down with a keg of Red Bull at the start line if he expects to beat the 3rd place woman.

It's clear this isn't a true goal of his. He gives marathon PR and sub 2:20 as his A and B goals - top 3 American is goal C. He also said he didn't look at the start list and doesn't even know what Americans are in the race. No one with a true goal of top 3 would go into it not knowing who the competition is.

It's something dumb that he threw out in a 2021 Goals video 10 months ago and now just is "holding himself accountable" to.

NERunner03533 wrote:

bcdgv wrote:

He said Top 3

35-39 age group

This seems very different from what is being said. His goals seem to go from easiest to hardest. We wants to PR. Reach goal is sub-2:20, which should honestly be doable for him with good pacing. Dream goal is a top-3 AG but you never really know who is gonna show up & how people do there. The pro field could take those slots but if he runs 2:19 he would probably be there. Gabius ran 2:12 in 2019 for 35-39. 2nd & 3rd were both 2:23.

He did not say AG in the video. He said Top 3 American, with no qualifiers. No idea where the AG idea came from.

On topic wrote:

It's clear this isn't a true goal of his. He gives marathon PR and sub 2:20 as his A and B goals - top 3 American is goal C. He also said he didn't look at the start list and doesn't even know what Americans are in the race. No one with a true goal of top 3 would go into it not knowing who the competition is.

It's something dumb that he threw out in a 2021 Goals video 10 months ago and now just is "holding himself accountable" to.

I just watched the video and I agree with your assessment that it isn't a "true" goal of his and he was reiterating the goals he stated at the beginning of the year. I think it was/is a "pie-in-sky" goal based on his 10th place American finish in 2019 on tired legs and a lack of knowledge about the American field in 2021

Also, Seth doesn't use A, B, and C goals like most people do. I think his top goal (realistic, but things have to go right) is a sub 2:20:00. His fallback goal is beating his PR of 2:23:35 from Amsterdam -- this is the race where he went out in 1:06:52 and ran the second half ten minutes slower.

This guy is great for bringing more attention to the marathon from hobbyjoggers like ne. Like it or not hobbyjoggers are participating fans that help pay for the sport. Based on his video. He's not delusional but has set high goals. He's aware that's a far reaching goal. But due to the distance of the marathon and all the changing factors that have an impact (weather fuel intake and mental focus). It's possible. Boston 2018 weather resulted in some unpredictable long shots on the podium and top 10 finishes. He's chasing a dream that is possible. And he's putting in the work in case because the many different variables could help make his dream a reality. Boston 2018 showed us it's possible. It's up to him to be prepared.

Seth isn't in the pro field, meaning he will start the race 5 minutes behind the leaders. That's a hard place to start if he is looking to place. He will likely be running most of the race solo.

He will run slower than he did in 2019. Bookmark this.

hobbyjogger1 wrote:

This guy is great for bringing more attention to the marathon from hobbyjoggers like ne. Like it or not hobbyjoggers are participating fans that help pay for the sport. Based on his video. He's not delusional but has set high goals. He's aware that's a far reaching goal. But due to the distance of the marathon and all the changing factors that have an impact (weather fuel intake and mental focus). It's possible. Boston 2018 weather resulted in some unpredictable long shots on the podium and top 10 finishes. He's chasing a dream that is possible. And he's putting in the work in case because the many different variables could help make his dream a reality. Boston 2018 showed us it's possible. It's up to him to be prepared.

I'd really love to see him go sub 2:20 and would be legit happy for him. I think it's somewhat unlikely given his ridonkulous training plan, but he may have one of those days where he catches lightning in a bottle and pulls it off. Or some weather wild-card like Boston 2018 boosts him up.

While it is ok to dream really big, you have to be realistic and qualify your ultimate dream goals when stating them publicly.

Anything is possible but, like Gwen Jorgensen stating that her goal was to win gold in the Tokyo Olympic marathon, people who state unrealistic goals should expect to be criticized by serious runners and/or those who closely follow the sport.

But perhaps Demoor and Jorgensen know that stating outrageous dream goals gets them more attention from the masses.