Parker Stinson’s Sweat Elite videos proof he trains too hard

Barfly vs Jesus wrote:

3:11 Scrub wrote:

In the video Parker says Dathan called him that morning and told him to not go too hard the tempo so maybe Dathan has learned.

I don’t know anything about Parker or his training, just this video. I would guess he goes too fast too often. He should slow his paces down and do more mileage. It’s a very common issue amongst distance runners at all levels. “Look at these great workouts I’ve done,” then they bomb their goal competition.

It’s more exciting doing fast workouts but the real work is the big mileage and there are no shortcuts.

Yeah I mean 5 days out, and you’re at altitude, anything under 25 is way too fast

I thought the same thing. I think the posted video is one in which Parker says he is going to get acclimated by wearing his sweats and then a few minutes later it's wham bam thank you ma'am and he's zooming off sans sweats trying to be a hero for the video. Also, I think racing Falmouth in August might have actually made him overconfident in his abilities and fitness going into the marathon build. Per his race recap, he outperformed expectations and stayed with the leaders until the end of the race. Maybe he is just better suited for those long but not too long races or maybe he could be a decent marathoner if he stayed patient and LISTENED to Dathan.

I knew he was toast as soon as I saw that video. He was huffing and puffing in that tempo. If he was going to run w/ the big guns or the second pack, that pace should have been under control effort.

olymaratrialstop100 wrote:

Barfly vs Jesus wrote:

Yeah I mean 5 days out, and you’re at altitude, anything under 25 is way too fast

I thought the same thing. I think the posted video is one in which Parker says he is going to get acclimated by wearing his sweats and then a few minutes later it's wham bam thank you ma'am and he's zooming off sans sweats trying to be a hero for the video. Also, I think racing Falmouth in August might have actually made him overconfident in his abilities and fitness going into the marathon build. Per his race recap, he outperformed expectations and stayed with the leaders until the end of the race. Maybe he is just better suited for those long but not too long races or maybe he could be a decent marathoner if he stayed patient and LISTENED to Dathan.

It was hilarious to hear Parky blather about wearing extra gear because "distance running is really about managing discomfort" (or something to that effect) and then he couldn't dump that gear fast enough when things got a little sweaty. Between that and Morgy spouting off about supershoes, the Sweat Elite videos of late have featured plenty of thousand-dollar-legs-and-lungs under ten-cent-head d-bags. I never wonder why guys like this aren't more accomplished.

Some parts of the video were pretty damn cringey.. especially when Stinson just starts the workout and Morgan says, oh we’re starting?

Dathan telling him to be controlled - then let’s it rip.

Then the talking of the gear to get hot and run in discomfort - off comes the gear.

Stinson’s brain seems to always be going a mile a minute. He has huge potential but needs to get some help.

Being somewhat familiar with the case, the person trying to bring down Matt and Sweat Elite is believed to somebody that went into business with Matt prior to this current venture and who was removed from the team and has clearly never gotten over it. He’s manually writing all negative reviews himself and is also emailing contacts of Matt to try to have them refrain from working with him. Very sad, selfish and unfortunate for the rest of us loving the content. Letsrun should provide the IP Address of this person to track them down and expose them.

He needs to be part of a group of runners and a coach there at all times. Letting this guy train by himself is throwing a grenade in a mosh pit -- chaos. Also, he needs Adderall to calm down that hyperactivity.

Probably yes wrote:

Maybe this is totally unfounded but I always wonder if Dathan will pan out to be a good coach. I'm under the impression that he ran himself into the ground and even after multiple injuries and "knowing better" he'd still go out and hammer sessions to the point that he'd reinjure himself. Seems like Parker is cut from the same cloth and falls victim to the same tendencies.

look at the difference between someone like joe klecker and parker. in training vids and on strava, joe follows dathans plans meticulously (and surely outside of running its the same). hes confident in the training and his coach. parker seems to lack confidence (in himself mostly). i think thats common for someone that hasnt really had a good race, but seems to think he is capable of more. during any training block its common for an athlete to doubt their fitness...his way of dealing with this is smashing a workout. this might work for some people (and is probably fine if its only a few times during a block) but clearly parker has a tendency to do this on a weekly basis. ignoring his coaches advice or simply just needs to be coached differently (cant give him effort based workouts because he will always overwork on these and then admit to the difficulty after that fact). if anything dathan knows better than anyone what is happening to parker (perhaps from previous experience)...it means nothing if parker doesnt heed the advice.

Mistake to assume his current marathon capability comparable to his current 10mi capability.

His cardiovascular fitness is ahead of his strength. His tempo run was fine.

Not really overtraining but not quite ready for anything over 25k.

I think he tested a bit at Bosron but after a point just ran it in, minimal effort for maximum pay.

He is like Ritz, runs as well or better on 80-90/week than 110-120/week.

dsrunner wrote:

Mistake to assume his current marathon capability comparable to his current 10mi capability.

His cardiovascular fitness is ahead of his strength. His tempo run was fine.

Not really overtraining but not quite ready for anything over 25k.

I think he tested a bit at Bosron but after a point just ran it in, minimal effort for maximum pay.

He is like Ritz, runs as well or better on 80-90/week than 110-120/week.

I don't think anyone who ran well at Boston was doing the equivalent of a 24 flat 8k (sea level conversion) followed by 200s at mile pace just FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE MARATHON. Seems like overtraining

Moo G wrote:

I knew he was toast as soon as I saw that video. He was huffing and puffing in that tempo. If he was going to run w/ the big guns or the second pack, that pace should have been under control effort.

No you didn’t. He had a bad day. Hope you have many in your future

I actually think Parker is one of the most talented distance runners in the US. He was good from a young age, has great lower-body mechanics, and has had some really fast performances (25K US records).

He just doesn't have the same consistency and focus that others do to consistently perform at a high level. He does stuff like this in training, doesn't go out at the right pace during races, and has the same tendency as Cheserek where he always needs to be doing something while running - looking down at the ground, adjusting his clothing, looking at his watch, etc. You rarely see him run for 20 seconds consistently without wasting some energy like that.

We’re in the same pizza place after Boston and he was super nice and was extremely friendly when I asked him about the race. He was with Robertson. We all have bad races, he’s young. Stop hating. Go Parker! Keep grinding

I could tell he wasn’t gonna run well a couple months ago when he said he “was tired” going into all workouts. Not supposed to be hammering months in a row, hanging on while trying to run insane splits. He was training too hard to early, simply.

3:11 Scrub wrote:

Probably yes wrote:

Maybe this is totally unfounded but I always wonder if Dathan will pan out to be a good coach. I'm under the impression that he ran himself into the ground and even after multiple injuries and "knowing better" he'd still go out and hammer sessions to the point that he'd reinjure himself. Seems like Parker is cut from the same cloth and falls victim to the same tendencies.

In the video Parker says Dathan called him that morning and told him to not go too hard the tempo so maybe Dathan has learned.

And yet he did. How stupid can you be at that level? Its not rocket science.

Nothing you do five days out is going to help you on race day