Seth Demoor runs almost 70 minutes at Detroit, NYC might be brutal

I would actually take a contrary view of this race. He mentioned in his video the day before the race that he had done a 24 mile run 3 days prior to race day. He had a 20 miler the day before that. A lot of good happens from freshening up the legs on reduced mileage. Not to mention, he ran 1:05 earlier this year, so this clearly wasn't a peak race for him. I wouldn't be surprised if he puts together a nice marathon in New York.

He just said on his live stream how dead his legs were and he still only hit a max heart rate during the race of 165. I'd say there is more in the tank

I'd like to see him put down multiple 300 mile weeks beforehand just to freshen up the legs a little

Who?

helpmeimlostinspace wrote:

Who?

Why are you talking about yourself in this thread?

He isn't getting any younger and keeping his online content interesting enough to hold viewers and keep the lights on will get tougher as well. He isn't a hot blonde IG influencer with a cute personality nor is he a muscled up alpha male like Nick Bare with supplements to sell. Pretty soon, his audience will start to tune out if he keeps talking big but fails to hit times and then devotes three episodes to making excuses for it. Never mind the creepy, "If Daddy is successful then you boys will get ice cream." vibes he gives off. YouTubers are just like TV shows, after a while people get bored, watch other stuff, and your program gets cancelled (or at YT, gets demonetized at a certain level of viewership).

Seth did an amazing race! kudos to Truelove who took care of the kids while Seth was living the dream at Detroit!

I'll Take This One... wrote:

He isn't getting any younger and keeping his online content interesting enough to hold viewers and keep the lights on will get tougher as well. He isn't a hot blonde IG influencer with a cute personality nor is he a muscled up alpha male like Nick Bare with supplements to sell. Pretty soon, his audience will start to tune out if he keeps talking big but fails to hit times and then devotes three episodes to making excuses for it. Never mind the creepy, "If Daddy is successful then you boys will get ice cream." vibes he gives off. YouTubers are just like TV shows, after a while people get bored, watch other stuff, and your program gets cancelled (or at YT, gets demonetized at a certain level of viewership).

this Seth thing is more a Philosophy rather than something temporary, DGR will always be remembered as Love each other, Seak beauty and strive for greatness! keep going Seth you are writting down history in sports

The guy said that he routinly wakes up at 3:30 AM. HOW. WHY. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT RECOVERY IS?

Maybe he takes up that early so he can be done with his run by 6, work till lunch at 11, nap from 11:30-1:30, double, dinner at 6:00 and bed at 7:30, IDK, but I don't know why you would wake up at 3:30am.

Here is another gripe I have about his training. He has been grinding high elevation mountain runs for months now. DOes he really think that he is has a lot of room to improve his raw aerobic strength?? He is already super strong. He has the "engine" or "house" that he needs to run a fast marathon. What he needs is SPECIFIC work and SPEED work. I want to see him crush 20 miles at 5:45 on average, I want to see him run 8-10xmile @ LT, he needs to do 8x1000m and 20-25x400m @ 10k pace. he has the strength, he just needs to sharpen up with some aerobic quality.

This! I also wonder how much of his training is dictated by shoe reviews rather than race preparation? "I got the new Asics trainer and the new Hoka carbon shoe in the mail so I better do some long dirt road runs and a bunch of steasy trail miles so I can film some 50 mile reviews plus some B roll footage and post them before the week is over!".

Question of the Day : Is Thurston Howell III's wife Lovey related to Seth's wife True Love?

Question of the moment: Do the Mods like to put me in Timeout because they are incapable of seeing any humor in this bleak world?

Inside of a year his vlog will transition again, from "Life with Seth" to "SJD The Runner," to "SJD The Runner juggling active kid activities," when he tries to run fast mountain and road races when he's limited on training time because of soccer practice. (And he's back working days in marketing or whatever, because subscription numbers are tanking.)

Exactly. I've gotten weird vibes from his vlogs in the last 9 months. It seems like he wants to maximize his suffering and be a martyr for his YouTube followers. Obviously, there's been a struggle between he and his wife about "work-life balance". He alludes to it a lot. He's so intense about his mileage. He can't feel well running 140 mi/week and only sleeping like 5 hours a night. Sounds like a recipe for burnout. But he's also depending on this to support his family which sounds like an actual nightmare.

I have a theory that failure sells better to his fanbase. I kind of get a pre 2016 Chicago Cubs "Wait'll next year!" vibe.

His subscribers are middle of the pack runners that are really amazed by his training, shoe reviews, family life, and sporadic successes in niche races and FKT runs. They are attracted to a "lovable loser" type that tries hard but doesn't quite succeed with everything going on around him because they see a bit of themselves in his exploits. He posts post race videos with excuses like, "just training through it" and "weather wasn't optimal" or " bad days happen" and his fans eat it up because they have all used the same excuses to brush off a bad Turkey Trot performance or DNF'd a marathon. So long as he keeps coming up just a wee bit short of his goals, he is still a working class hero to his subscriber base.

If he hits a big goal, then that brings additional pressures. What happens if he gets his OTQ? Will there be an expectation amongst his fans that don't know much about the sport that he will make the Olympic team? If he finishes 20th at the Trials, does that take the luster off? What happens when COVID relents and better European athletes start showing up for Pike's Peak? Will they stay tuned in and, more importantly, pay premium subscription money to watch him go for masters division awards in a few years time?

Who is this True Love character? Is everyone supposed to call her True Love or just Seth?

The big problem with guys like SJD is that he has to keep upping the antics. He needs subs and views since it's obviously not race winnings that are supporting him. Eventually they'll be so outrageous that it'll turn off people. I don't want to watch yet another "why I failed" 5-part series. I don't care about his personal life because he's not that funny and I can't really related to him (despite being a longtime runner and a father myself).

At some point guys like Sage Canaday or SJD are going to have to start putting up results otherwise they'll become the 'pro' ultra/runner that had a modicum of success 5 years ago but still act like an authority in the field. They will slowly be replaced by younger, funnier, more successful YouTubers. Newer ultrarunners looking to follow someone don't care about that guy that won a race 4 years ago and hasn't done shyte since.

If you look at Sage's YouTube channel statistics it's pretty clear it has not doing too hot relative to previous years in terms of views/new subs.

I wish all these guys the best but man it must be a stressful way to make a living.

Running big mileage, filming, editing, 'working', gym, sleep and family time. Unsustainable.

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I'll Take This One... wrote:

This! I also wonder how much of his training is dictated by shoe reviews rather than race preparation? "I got the new Asics trainer and the new Hoka carbon shoe in the mail so I better do some long dirt road runs and a bunch of steasy trail miles so I can film some 50 mile reviews plus some B roll footage and post them before the week is over!".

Inside of a year his vlog will transition again, from "Life with Seth" to "SJD The Runner," to "SJD The Runner juggling active kid activities," when he tries to run fast mountain and road races when he's limited on training time because of soccer practice. (And he's back working days in marketing or whatever, because subscription numbers are tanking.)

Finally cooked Hamburger Helper for the first time in his life. Going to spend more time with the kids and fam. Only two peak races in 2022, rather than 4. It's happening.

Great work ethic, but not a smart man. To be fast you don’t need to be smart, but you need a coach, which he refuses to get.