Newbury Park, 14:29, 14:33, 14:34, 14:43, 15:15, 15:18 at Woodward Park

Forgive my ignorance, but do they wear super shoes? No spikes in California HS XC, IIRC.

Will they end up running sub 16 for the 4Xmile?

runningggg wrote:

He was sick in the early part of the season. He ran in the non sweepstakes race at Woodridge and was 68 seconds behind their 4th man. Today, he was 35 seconds back. He still has almost 2 months to get back to full strength.

So their #5 runner who ran 15:15 yesterday is technically their #6 runner.

khcglhc wrote:

Will they end up running sub 16 for the 4Xmile?

1-2 years ago and I would have called you crazy, but they honestly might. That would be unimaginable, thought. There has never been a team that fast in high school, and we were just talking about 17 minutes being broken a few years back.

I think they can definitely break American Fork’s 4xmile record.

slowerthanu wrote:

Forgive my ignorance, but do they wear super shoes? No spikes in California HS XC, IIRC.

No super shoes for the Newbury park boys. In the pictures they had Nike zoom victory 5's on .

sprooty wrote:

how is it possible for a single high school team to produce 5-7 nation-leading performers? obviously the program is excellent, but there has to be some form of recruiting going on? it just seems statistically impossible...!

No. It's the shoes. I mean, it must be age cheating. No, I mean it's performance enhancing drugs. No, it's illegal coaching. No, it's a short course resulting in fast times. No, it's a tailwind which only benefits Newbury Park runners.

Maybe they're just that good. Yeah, I'm more than willing to chalk up Newbury Park's successes to all of those legitimate things, like talent, hard work, team unity, and great coaching, which have come together to make a group of kids just plain exceptional.

Woodward Park has been run on for almost 40 years in an unchanged format giving us the ability to measure times against the all time greats from California. To put some perspective on how mind blowing Newbury's 14:44 avg performance was yesterday, compare it to some of the recent all time CA greats and their best times on Woodward Park. The below hypothetical team would have "only" averaged 14:50

Nico Young 14:28

Euardo Herrera 14:49

Luis Grijalva 14:50

Cooper Teare 14:58

Robert Brandt 15:07

LappedMiler wrote:

No. It's the shoes. I mean, it must be age cheating. No, I mean it's performance enhancing drugs. No, it's illegal coaching. No, it's a short course resulting in fast times. No, it's a tailwind which only benefits Newbury Park runners.

Maybe they're just that good. Yeah, I'm more than willing to chalk up Newbury Park's successes to all of those legitimate things, like talent, hard work, team unity, and great coaching, which have come together to make a group of kids just plain exceptional.

The tailwind theory is more probable than your second paragraph, tbh.

I suck at coaching.

khcglhc wrote:

Will they end up running sub 16 for the 4Xmile?

Lol no. I would be surprised if a single kid went 4:00 or faster, let alone 4 in the 3:59-4:01 range.

Any XC course that has incredibly flat times has those times for a reason. They’re incredibly inflated compared to the track.

You have plenty of kids running in the 4:0x range running substantially slower compared to the xc results. Not everyone has access to super fast xc courses

4L wrote:

khcglhc wrote:

Will they end up running sub 16 for the 4Xmile?

Lol no. I would be surprised if a single kid went 4:00 or faster, let alone 4 in the 3:59-4:01 range.

Any XC course that has incredibly flat times has those times for a reason. They’re incredibly inflated compared to the track.

You have plenty of kids running in the 4:0x range running substantially slower compared to the xc results. Not everyone has access to super fast xc courses

Woodward Park is not "incredibly flat".

Colin Sahlman ran 4:05 last year. The others were in the 4:08-4:09 range as sophomores and have made what seems to be a fairly significant jump in fitness since then. Maybe the younger ones won't break 4:00 this year, but the odds are we'll see them going under that mark in 2023. And I'd give Colin a 65% chance to break 4 next track season.

sudrunner wrote:

4L wrote:

Lol no. I would be surprised if a single kid went 4:00 or faster, let alone 4 in the 3:59-4:01 range.

Any XC course that has incredibly flat times has those times for a reason. They’re incredibly inflated compared to the track.

You have plenty of kids running in the 4:0x range running substantially slower compared to the xc results. Not everyone has access to super fast xc courses

Woodward Park is not "incredibly flat".

Colin Sahlman ran 4:05 last year. The others were in the 4:08-4:09 range as sophomores and have made what seems to be a fairly significant jump in fitness since then. Maybe the younger ones won't break 4:00 this year, but the odds are we'll see them going under that mark in 2023. And I'd give Colin a 65% chance to break 4 next track season.

They seem to be in much better fitness then last spring. I would not be surprised if two of then broke 4min. Last Spring

In the Mile they ran:

Colin 4:04

Leo. 4:07

Lex. 4:08

Aaron 4:08

4L wrote:

khcglhc wrote:

Will they end up running sub 16 for the 4Xmile?

Lol no. I would be surprised if a single kid went 4:00 or faster, let alone 4 in the 3:59-4:01 range.

Any XC course that has incredibly flat times has those times for a reason. They’re incredibly inflated compared to the track.

You have plenty of kids running in the 4:0x range running substantially slower compared to the xc results. Not everyone has access to super fast xc courses

Lol sure Woodbridge is a pancake but you're an idiot if ya think Woodward park is flat

4L wrote:

khcglhc wrote:

Will they end up running sub 16 for the 4Xmile?

Lol no. I would be surprised if a single kid went 4:00 or faster, let alone 4 in the 3:59-4:01 range.

Any XC course that has incredibly flat times has those times for a reason. They’re incredibly inflated compared to the track.

You have plenty of kids running in the 4:0x range running substantially slower compared to the xc results. Not everyone has access to super fast xc courses

Maybe you can believe Aaron Sahlnan attest to the hills on this course putting crap in his legs, go to 2:09 in this attached video. California has hard and hilly courses.

I meant to say fast, not flat.

Anyways…this is literally a dirt course. There’s no grass or anything. You talk about 2-4 kids breaking 4 in a handle of years? Ain’t happening sorry bud

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4L wrote:

I meant to say fast, not flat.

Anyways…this is literally a dirt course. There’s no grass or anything. You talk about 2-4 kids breaking 4 in a handle of years? Ain’t happening sorry bud

I wouldn’t doubt the Newbury Park boys. It’s been know to come back and bite us

NP is the best XC team ever! wrote:

4L wrote:

I meant to say fast, not flat.

Anyways…this is literally a dirt course. There’s no grass or anything. You talk about 2-4 kids breaking 4 in a handle of years? Ain’t happening sorry bud

I wouldn’t doubt the Newbury Park boys. It’s been know to come back and bite us

I would bet against them breaking 4. But I wouldn’t bet against them breaking 8 for 3k. The Youngs, including Nico, seem pretty slow speed wise.